Originally posted by CatL18
Orrery of Worlds is said to be All-Enclosing Higher Dimensional Bulk in MAP of Multiverse."ORRERY OF WORLDS: 52 'brane universes vibrating in the same space, all at different frequencies, within the all-enclosing Bulk, otherwise known as Bleed-space. Four Bleed Siphons have been drilled in from Monitor Sphere to the Orrery, to permit the harvest of the miracle Ultramenstruum fluid."
If Other pararell earth is vibrating in same quantum space, It mean that All infinite universe is inside orrery of worlds. So, I think that orrery of world hold not only 52 but infinite universe.
It was shown in DC continuity that there is countless another dimension or divergent time line in prenew52 multiverse. For example, In camellot fall, There was possible time line that Superman is defeated by Khyber and Earth is doomed. I think that it is divergent future time line and it is within 52 multiverse.
Im familiar with its definition alright. And if you look at the definition you yourself just posted, you'd realize that the bleed is the all-enclosing bulk and not the orrery of worlds. So you're just presuming that Morrison did take into account that WS was actually a multiverse instead of a universe (mind you, that's an idea i myself presented which you didn't even consider at first and instead just presumed it had infinite universes based on nothing)? I realize you can apply it by default by it was definitely not the intention being presented in Superman Beyond. Read any mainstream DC comic which depicts the post-IC multiverse, and tell me of one instance where WS is regarded as being a multiverse. I can tell you right now: It's not, because when written in mainstream DC multiverse, WS is just a universe; when written in a WS comic, it's a multiverse. Otherwise, we'd have Mr. Mind altering infinite universes as well. Which is definitely not the case.
Since we can't seem to reach a conclusion. Go ahead and post evidence of your theory.
Possible futures were always present in every single year of every single era of DC. Not sure how that changes anything. Possible futures don't necessarily equate to actual alternate realities. In some cases, it does, in others (most when it comes to DC) it doesn't.
Originally posted by krisblaze
But it starts off as a universe where no one has any superpowers or whatever.Clearly he's going to build on the concept of a multiverse.
I don't care if Morrison depicted 1 alternate universe. Because that alternate universe could as well be one of the 52. I care only if he depicted more than 52 universes (Which is the case of Authority v4, and later in the Lost Year series).
And even then, given that Flashpoint treated WS as being a separate continuity/timeline from mainstream DC, it stands to reason that its dissociated from it.
And again, when depicted in a mainstream DC book, WS is a universe, and there's no doubt about it. Just see the 52 series.
Originally posted by operator616
Im familiar with its definition alright. And if you look at the definition you yourself just posted, you'd realize that the bleed is the all-enclosing bulk and not the orrery of worlds. So you're just presuming that Morrison did take into account that WS was actually a multiverse instead of a universe (mind you, that's an idea i myself presented which you didn't even consider at first and instead just presumed it had infinite universes based on nothing)? I realize you can apply it by default by it was definitely not the intention being presented in Superman Beyond. Read any mainstream DC comic which depicts the post-IC multiverse, and tell me of one instance where WS is regarded as being a multiverse. I can tell you right now: It's not, because when written in mainstream DC multiverse, WS is just a universe; when written in a WS comic, it's a multiverse. Otherwise, we'd have Mr. Mind altering infinite universes as well. Which is definitely not the case.
Originally posted by operator616 Possible futures were always present in every single year of every single era of DC. Not sure how that changes anything. Possible futures don't necessarily equate to actual alternate realities. In some cases, it does, in others (most when it comes to DC) it doesn't. [/B]
Originally posted by CatL18
I'm sorry for irritating you, but,Doesn't orrery of worlds hold Breed?
I don't know much about WS multiverse, so I can't decide whether WS multiverse is within DC multiverse or not (As you said, It will not be within DC multiverse) But without them, Isn't there implication that Other universe which is pararell to 52 multiverse is there. For example, In FC legion of 3 worlds, Earth Prime was there, That is not 52 multiverse, but isn't that pararell to 52 multiverse? This is one of Final Crisis event.
The bleed is the space between the universes, so naturally, given that the orrery of worlds contains 52 of those, it does contain the bleed.
Im going to repeat this one last time and make it as simple as possible: Comics aren't perfect; there's continuity but it's not perfect either; there are contradictions and there are all types of mistakes and shit. On-panel it's been made clear that when written in a mainstream DC book, WS is regarded as a sole universe. In WS comics (like The Authority or Planetary comics) it's regarded as a multiverse even post-Captain Atom Armageddon (Which was equivalent of DC's IC, and was actually a step to reset WS continuity to a single universe but failed miserably).
There are many other realms/dimensions apart from the 52 universes. Phantom Zone, Bgtzl, Apokolips/New Genesis, Dream dimension, fifth dimension, Gemworld, Darkworld, Mera's wolrd, Olympus, Asgard, Anti-Matter universe, Skartaris (Warlord verse), Mohru dimension, Gobdor dimension (#24), Metazone, Warlock's dimension, etc... many other unnamed random dimensions featured in random comics. So yes, there are other dimensions apart from the main 52 ones, but not every single universe has those dimensions adjoining them. An yes, apparently Earth-prime is one of the 52 universes.
No. Because, as i said before, possible futures don't necessarily equate to alternate universes.
^That's not true. Majestic's solo series was definitely written under mainstream DCU and it flat out told that wildstorm was an infinite multiverse. DC was a multiverse by hypertime which was Morrison's idea.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hypertime. Multiverse never went away though. Here's the scan from JSA 13 which references multiversehttp://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12012154/m1.jpg.html
Here is the superman "saves the omniverse" scan
The fact that wildstorm universe was a part of DCU before IC which in itself was a multiverse should tell you that DC was never a single universe. Chalk it up to hypertime.
