Originally posted by abhilegend
^That's not true. Majestic's solo series was definitely written under mainstream DCU and it flat out told that wildstorm was an infinite multiverse. DC was a multiverse by hypertime which was Morrison's idea.
Eh, when did i deny that WS was not an infinite multiverse? Im the one who presented that idea to CatL18 in the first place.
Anyway, here's Habib dissociating the WS multiverse from mainstream DC in Captain Atom Armageddon series:
http://i.imgur.com/1DTnltY.jpg?1
"This group of universes" ---> the WS multiverse which is dissociated from mainstream DC.
Originally posted by operator616
Just because Limbo is dissociated from the multiverse doesn't mean it's bigger.You seem to have this misconception that any realm/dimension which exists outside the multiverse neccesarily means it's bigger. Well, im sorry to tell you that it's most definitely not
Going by your logic, shouldn't every single new god be bigger than the multiverse since they're, y'know, "above it"?
Doesn't every single angel in the silver city dwarf the multiverse because they're outside of it.
Hell, let's go even further, even pre-FP, Phantom Girl's dimension was outside the multiverse, does that mean that even freakin' Phantom Girl dwarfs the multiverse and is megaversal?
And every being in Gemworld since it is too outside the multiverse?
etc...
So i hope you see why your stance isn't supported by any evidence whatsoever. In fact, it's completely contradictory.
He's talking about the map, in the map all the spheres dwarf the multiverse, hence the statement
Originally posted by operator616
Anyway, here's Habib dissociating the WS multiverse from mainstream DC in Captain Atom Armageddon series:http://i.imgur.com/1DTnltY.jpg?1
"This group of universes" ---> the WS multiverse which is dissociated from mainstream DC.
Can you help me with DC's cosmology? can you break down they're cosmology and explain just what DC is in the hierarchy of cosmology?
Originally posted by operator616
Im going to repeat this one last time and make it as simple as possible: Comics aren't perfect; there's continuity but it's not perfect either; there are contradictions and there are all types of mistakes and shit. On-panel it's been made clear that when written in a mainstream DC book, WS is regarded as a sole universe. In WS comics (like The Authority or Planetary comics) it's regarded as a multiverse even post-Captain Atom Armageddon (Which was equivalent of DC's IC, and was actually a step to reset WS continuity to a single universe but failed miserably).
Originally posted by operator616
There are many other realms/dimensions apart from the 52 universes. Phantom Zone, Bgtzl, Apokolips/New Genesis, Dream dimension, fifth dimension, Gemworld, Darkworld, Mera's wolrd, Olympus, Asgard, Anti-Matter universe, Skartaris (Warlord verse), Mohru dimension, Gobdor dimension (#24), Metazone, Warlock's dimension, etc... many other unnamed random dimensions featured in random comics. So yes, there are other dimensions apart from the main 52 ones, but not every single universe has those dimensions adjoining them. An yes, apparently Earth-prime is one of the 52 universes.No. Because, as i said before, possible futures don't necessarily equate to alternate universes.
Originally posted by VastoLord1234
He's talking about the map, in the map all the spheres dwarf the multiverse, hence the statement
I know what he's talking about.
got any actual proof that any of the spheres dwarf the multiverse or is just another assumption?
Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Can you help me with DC's cosmology? can you break down they're cosmology and explain just what DC is in the hierarchy of cosmology?
Answered your PM.
Originally posted by CatL18
Darkseid and Apokolips is there in almost every universes. Azalath will be there at least earth where Raven appeared. Olympus is there in almost every universe. etc. So,I think It is safe that Each earth have many(possibly infinite) Dimensions.
As for earth prime, Is there statement that Earth Prime is one of 52 multiverse at that time?
As for Divergent Time Line or Possible future, Haven't Character in Main Time line arrived alternate Time line or Alternate Future? So, I think that these divergent time line is there as quantum divergent time line. It is not alternate universe, But It is there as Quantum pararell universe branching from Main universe.
There are accounts which say that there is one Darkseid, there are other accounts which state there are alternate Darkseids.
Similarly, there are accounts which state that Apokolips is located beyond all space/time in a separate dimension, another account saying that it's located in a solar system which is separate from mainstream DCU, another one saying that Apokolips is actually merely light years away from Earth.
More contradictions on these accounts is that it says that since Apokolips is located beyond all time/space it cannot be reached by anything except via boom tube yet we've seen GLs go to Apokolips and in another instance Grayven was about to use the Zeta beam to go to Apokolips, and matrix Supergirl reached it too. etc..
So really, which one of them is true? 😕
Given the contradictory nature of comics, that's why ive been saying: go by the writer's intention. What was Morrison's intention in Superman Beyond? 52 universes and nothing more.
And im pretty sure that Azarath was intended to be a nexus of sorts between all realities. Established either in the first arc of NTT v1 or v2. But either way, it doesn't change anything really.
No, but given that it was specifically mentioned in a superman comic to be destroyed it didn't just magically reappear.
Originally posted by operator616
There are accounts which say that there is one Darkseid, there are other accounts which state there are alternate Darkseids.Similarly, there are accounts which state that Apokolips is located beyond all space/time in a separate dimension, another account saying that it's located in a solar system which is separate from mainstream DCU, another one saying that Apokolips is actually merely light years away from Earth.
More contradictions on these accounts is that it says that since Apokolips is located beyond all time/space it cannot be reached by anything except via boom tube yet we've seen GLs go to Apokolips and in another instance Grayven was about to use the Zeta beam to go to Apokolips, and matrix Supergirl reached it too. etc..
So really, which one of them is true? 😕
Originally posted by operator616
Given the contradictory nature of comics, that's why ive been saying: go by the writer's intention. What was Morrison's intention in Superman Beyond? 52 universes and nothing more.
Originally posted by operator616
And im pretty sure that Azarath was intended to be a nexus of sorts between all realities. Established either in the first arc of NTT v1 or v2. But either way, it doesn't change anything really.
Originally posted by operator616
No, but given that it was specifically mentioned in a superman comic to be destroyed it didn't just magically reappear.
Originally posted by operator616
Anyway, here's Habib dissociating the WS multiverse from mainstream DC in Captain Atom Armageddon series:http://i.imgur.com/1DTnltY.jpg?1
"This group of universes" ---> the WS multiverse which is dissociated from mainstream DC.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Adventures of Superman isn't DC mainstream either, I guess.
What is this? That's totally irrelevant. because this scan is not only pre-IC, but also doesn't reference an "infinite multiverse" nor do any of the other superman issues of the arc. That's just Majestic saying that he isn't in his own universe, or any of the universes associated with WS's. So im not sure what's the point of posting that scan.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's a weird explanation. Considering Captain Atom traveled to wildstorm by bleed, majestic traveled to DC via bleed and Superman/Eradicator traveled to Wildstorm by bleed.
dood, again: What has this got to do with anything? FC secret files establishes that the bleed is an access point to multiverses (plural):
http://i.imgur.com/6IVsc9M.jpg?1
So why can't one travel through the bleed from one to the other? Just imagine that the universes associated with mainstream DC are clustered together closely but are farther away than WS's clustered universes, and you'll get the basic idea.
Originally posted by operator616
I know what he's talking about.got any actual proof that any of the spheres dwarf the multiverse or is just another assumption?
Answered your PM.
Im not agreeing with anyone, im just saying, the spheres look bigger.
The spheres look much bigger than the multiverse.
Originally posted by operator616That's in response to this.
What is this?
Originally posted by operator616
[B]On-panel it's been made clear that when written in a mainstream DC book, WS is regarded as a sole universe.
That's totally irrelevant. because this scan is not only pre-IC, but also doesn't reference an "infinite multiverse" nor do any of the other superman issues of the arc. That's just Majestic saying that he isn't in his own universe, or any of the universes associated with WS's. So im not sure what's the point of posting that scan.
That's a lot of denial for a simple scan.
dood, again: What has this got to do with anything? FC secret files establishes that the bleed is an access point to multiverses (plural):http://i.imgur.com/6IVsc9M.jpg?1
So why can't one travel through the bleed from one to the other? Just imagine that the universes associated with mainstream DC are clustered together closely but are farther away than WS's clustered universes, and you'll get the basic idea. [/B]
And Mandrakk was threatening entire creation. But its nice to know final crisis mentioned different multiverses, that makes Mandrakk even more powerful.
