BTW, Isn't CAS and Final Crisis hated by many? In Amazon rating, The rate of Final Crisis is law. Final Crisis is one of my favorite. But I seldom see person who like Final Crisis. Why are they so hated?
Is it because of metafiction filled story? or Is it too complicated?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ca superman is vastly overrated.
Originally posted by CatL18
BTW, Isn't CAS and Final Crisis hated by many? In Amazon rating, The rate of Final Crisis is law. Final Crisis is one of my favorite. But I seldom see person who like Final Crisis. Why are they so hated?
Is it because of metafiction filled story? or Is it too complicated?
Not everything Grant Morrison writes is worth its weight in gold.
Originally posted by CatL18
Based on What?
Originally posted by Astner
Just read the reviews. Besides an average of 3/5 isn't bad, it's average.Not everything Grant Morrison writes is worth its weight in gold.
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Originally posted by Astner
ased on that people will pull out the meta-fictional > fictional card in every debate to excuse the shortage of actual feats.
Originally posted by CatL18
I thought most numerous star is 1/5. So I thought Final Crisis is hated.
Originally posted by CatL18
I don't insist that here. and Isn't Morrison's intention clear in Superman Beyond 3D? I understand that Morrison's battle is more conceptual, metafictional and doesn't have actual feat which is reliable in VS forum.
Originally posted by Astner
The problem is that it's subjective. Both in how it was written and its interpretations. But in order to make actual comparisons to characters that aren't meta-fictional you need to establish further rules before you can address this topic objectively.
^ Based on what is Anti-Monitor = Spectre? And Corrigan-Spectre is > Crispus Spectre. Not even taking into account that Corrigan Spectre was amped, or that Crispus Spectre was weakened after the events of FC: Revelations.
Originally posted by CatL18
Doesn't Map of Multiverse imply that Breed Space as higher dimensional Bulk can contain infinite universe because multiverse is mere membrane restricted to Breed? According to Brane cosmology, 3D universes is only membrane restricted to higher Dimensional Bulk Space. And There is official statement in Map of Multiverse that Breed is all-enclosing BULK. So I think that Breed is too vast to contain even infinite universes. and Breed may contain New52 multiverse,pre-flasshpoint multiverse,pre-crisis multiverse. and Isn't there statement that each earth have countless(possibly infinite?) pararell Dimensions,divergent timeline,microverse, etc?
As for reaching Primal Monitor, What I want to say is that They become bigger/stronger to reach Primal Monitor, so They can be above almost all of DC creation..
You don't seem to get what im saying.
What you're saying is true regarding the bleed being able to contain infinite universes. Like i told you in my prior post: the WS multiverse already had infinite ones, post-IC. And in an issue of the Authority v4 we are outright shown that there are more than 52 universes inside the bleed:
http://i.imgur.com/Tl0XVQD.jpg?1
If you count the ones who are merely shown on panel (and there are more who aren't shown) you'll get at least 60 alternate Earths/universes which is already more than the 52 of the mainstream DC universe. And that scan is from The Authority v4 #15, 2009.
However, Bleed's capacity to contain universes is irrelevant regarding gauging Thought Robot's and Mandrakk's power levels. Because it was outright shown that Mandrakk was threatening the 52 universes of the mainstream multiverse and nothing more. Even if you count WS as being one of those 52 because there are instances of such, that's fine by me, but you can't just assume he was threatening the entire WS multiverse along with the mainstream one.
Each one of the 52 don't have their own divergent realities and whatnot. There are however countless other realms apart from the mainstream multiverse (and others like WS), for example Spectre v2 #7 establishes that, apart from the New Earth universe, there are infinite realms and infinite limbos within each one of those realms. There are plenty of comics who just randomly establish unknown realms/dimensions/universes in DC. A random comic might establish that easily.
Regarding the last part; you sure that's accurate? Because from what i see, Thought Robot/Mandrakk reach the end/boundaries of Nil which have the Primal Monitor surrounding it. And i certainly don't see them being above all DC when we literally see other monitors beside them observing their battle, and they're not that much smaller.
Originally posted by operator616
[BYou don't seem to get what im saying.What you're saying is true regarding the bleed being able to contain infinite universes. Like i told you in my prior post: the WS multiverse already had infinite ones, post-IC. And in an issue of the Authority v4 we are outright shown that there are more than 52 universes inside the bleed:
http://i.imgur.com/Tl0XVQD.jpg?1
If you count the ones who are merely shown on panel (and there are more who aren't shown) you'll get at least 60 alternate Earths/universes which is already more than the 52 of the mainstream DC universe. And that scan is from The Authority v4 #15, 2009.
However, Bleed's capacity to contain universes is irrelevant regarding gauging Thought Robot's and Mandrakk's power levels. Because it was outright shown that Mandrakk was threatening the 52 universes of the mainstream multiverse and nothing more. Even if you count WS as being one of those 52 because there are instances of such, that's fine by me, but you can't just assume he was threatening the entire WS multiverse along with the mainstream one.[/B]
"ORRERY OF WORLDS: 52 'brane universes vibrating in the same space, all at different frequencies, within the all-enclosing Bulk, otherwise known as Bleed-space. Four Bleed Siphons have been drilled in from Monitor Sphere to the Orrery, to permit the harvest of the miracle Ultramenstruum fluid."
If Other pararell earth is vibrating in same quantum space, It mean that All infinite universe is inside orrery of worlds. So, I think that orrery of world hold not only 52 but infinite universe.
Originally posted by operator616 Each one of the 52 don't have their own divergent realities and whatnot. There are however countless other realms apart from the mainstream multiverse (and others like WS), for example Spectre v2 #7 establishes that, apart from the New Earth universe, there are infinite realms and infinite limbos within each one of those realms. There are plenty of comics who just randomly establish unknown realms/dimensions/universes in DC. A random comic might establish that easily.[/B]
Originally posted by operator616 Regarding the last part; you sure that's accurate? Because from what i see, Thought Robot/Mandrakk reach the end/boundaries of Nil which have the Primal Monitor surrounding it. And i certainly don't see them being above all DC when we literally see other monitors beside them observing their battle, and they're not that much smaller. [/B]
