Darth Bane & Darth Zannah vs. Anakin Skywalker & Obi-Wan Kenobi [SABERS ONLY]

Originally posted by ILS
I don't think we're going to agree, Neph. Grievous' physical stats and processing speed is his answer to Foresight, as well as an answer to their superhuman stats through augmentation. Grievous is generally stronger and faster than any opponent he comes across, but they have foresight, which allows them to keep up. So he isn't really at an inherent disadvantage against a Force User, not more than they are in comparison to his incredible speed and strength.

Eh, Filoni was talking out of his ass. He basically said that, in his opinion, Grievous' success is derived from him spinning his lightsabers in a scary manner and that any Force sensitive who can get over the scare factor can beat him. I think anyone who has read into the character knows his form of combat is a little more advanced than being a scary buzzsaw.....

Bane isn't faster than Kenobi can keep up with, brobeans. But I don't think we're going to come to a resolution on that any time soon.

Processing speed doesn't really compare to the ability to react before something occurs imo. It seems you agree with me though, it basically evens out in the end. Which was what I was trying to get across. Grievous has speed, Kenobi has the Force. Almost equal. Bane has both, so he is superior to both.

Filoni > U estahuh

Bane in a slower incarnation was able to appear to be wielding a dozen lightsabers at once. Hell, I'm pretty darn sure he and Kas'im were almost or as fast as GG in this duel in PoD. Bane is much faster than Kenobi is.

Processing speed doesn't really compare to the ability to react before something occurs imo. It seems you agree with me though, it basically evens out in the end. Which was what I was trying to get across. Grievous has speed, Kenobi has the Force. Almost equal. Bane has both, so he is superior to both.

Filoni > U

Originally posted by ILS
I have a theory that DARTHPOWER has the families of LucasFilms' story team tied up in his basement at gunpoint until Filoni and Lucas have released sufficient creator statements to nerf/boost the characters of his preference. So on those grounds Filoni's statement is false.

Originally posted by ILS
I will save this debate for when I read the trilogy.

More like you will leave now before you get crushed any further by my padawan. 😂

Anyway, I've still not heard a suggestion for how exactly Kenobi or Anakin could defeat Zannah as easily as people are claiming. Cutting her saber in half has been explained to be bunk. Neither can get through offensively. Neither are fast enough to get around it or anything. There's no environmental advantage for them to take er, advantage of.

Lol at Bane being 'fastest in the mythos.' No. The fastest Sith in the mythos is the culmination of the Rule of 2, not the beginning of it. Which is as Bane intended, so no whining about it.

The reason Zannah gets dissed is because of the quote about Zannah (found on many vs. videos that include her) that all she's got for lightsaber combat is a shield and patience.

That's not enough to deal with Kenobi or Anakin.

Her highly defensive style should work effectively against both of them though. Kenobi clearly lacks the offense that'd be needed to get through and Anakin will easily frustrate himself against her and become sloppy.

A shield and patience works just fine against someone who can't get through the shield. And she does actually have offensive capabilities. Her strategy is to wear them down and then switch to offense. So obviously she needs offense as well. 🙄

[QUO TE=15019348]Originally posted by ILS

Eh, Filoni was talking out of his ass. He basically said that, in his opinion, Grievous' success is derived from him spinning his lightsabers in a scary manner and that any Force sensitive who can get over the scare factor can beat him. I think anyone who has read into the character knows his form of combat is a little more advanced than being a scary buzzsaw.....

[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure Dooku tells Grievous in LOE and the OCW that he needs Fear, Surprise and Intimidation on his side to beat the best of the Jedi.

Filoni's assessment of Grievous's strengths are that his Blades twirling so fast do in fact Intimidate Jedi. They're not used to seeing that, and it can make a Jedi think that this guy is too fast for them to counter. But when they realise they can counter it with their pre-cog(something Grievous lacks) then they can perform much better against him.

Dooku said he needs surprise fear ect in order to ensure victory. Without them, Grievous leaves the possibility of losing up in the air. Which is true for anyone on even footing.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Lol at Bane being 'fastest in the mythos.' No. The fastest Sith in the mythos is the culmination of the Rule of 2, not the beginning of it. Which is as Bane intended, so no whining about it.

Oh great, this argument again, and now it's being applied directly to Force Speed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Processing speed doesn't really compare to the ability to react before something occurs imo. It seems you agree with me though, it basically evens out in the end. Which was what I was trying to get across. Grievous has speed, Kenobi has the Force. Almost equal. Bane has both, so he is superior to both.

Filoni > U estahuh

Bane in a slower incarnation was able to appear to be wielding a dozen lightsabers at once. Hell, I'm pretty darn sure he and Kas'im were almost or as fast as GG in this duel in PoD. Bane is much faster than Kenobi is.

You constantly assert he's faster yet never provide the quote, and Bane's Orbalisk speed feats >> Bane's opinion he was faster. Kas'im was only fast due to being amped by the Lehon nexus. Bane at his fastest i,e moving in a blur and forming a shield with his blade is Qui gon speed, hardly as fast as you're wanking him out to be. But keep evading the fact he's only beaten Sirak as a duelist 👆 without a nexus and orbalisks

Originally posted by carthage
You constantly assert he's faster yet never provide the quote, and Bane's Orbalisk speed feats >> Bane's opinion he was faster. Kas'im was only fast due to being amped by the Lehon nexus. Bane at his fastest i,e moving in a blur and forming a shield with his blade is Qui gon speed, hardly as fast as you're wanking him out to be. But keep evading the fact he's only beaten Sirak as a duelist 👆 without a nexus and orbalisks

reported

Not really sure you are even allowed to report people. You're lucky I love Nephthys enough though...

Originally posted by ILS
Dooku said he needs surprise fear ect in order to ensure victory. Without them, Grievous leaves the possibility of losing up in the air. Which is true for anyone on even footing.

Your Love for Grievous has no boundaries.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your Love for Grievous has no boundaries.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not really sure you are even allowed to report people. You're lucky I love Nephthys enough though...

wut?

Originally posted by appletonia
reported

Reported for abusing the report system. 🙄

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your Love for Grievous has no boundaries.

It's because Grievous is terrific.

Definitely better than Bane and Zannah

Originally posted by appletonia
Oh great, this argument again, and now it's being applied directly to Force Speed.

...If Bane got in a race with Sidious, Bane's got nothing. He wouldn't even outrace Plagueis, and Plagueis barely cares about combat, due to being mostly a scientist.

You could argue the point, but point to Bane taking down a Windu class duelist and his 3 friends, before even reaching full power, before you try.

More relevant, Bane is not faster then Anakin either. The Mustafar duel is far more impressive for both combatants then anything Bane and Zannah ever did.

His best speed feat is against water droplets , that's what everyone is wanking. Bane hasn't demonstrated anything faster than Qui gon in speed, and his dueling ability is even worse.