Darth Bane & Darth Zannah vs. Anakin Skywalker & Obi-Wan Kenobi [SABERS ONLY]

Originally posted by Angelalex242
...If Bane got in a race with Sidious, Bane's got nothing. He wouldn't even outrace Plagueis, and Plagueis barely cares about combat, due to being mostly a scientist.

You could argue the point, but point to Bane taking down a Windu class duelist and his 3 friends, before even reaching full power, before you try.

More relevant, Bane is not faster then Anakin either. The Mustafar duel is far more impressive for both combatants then anything Bane and Zannah ever did.

Running speed isn't fighting speed.

Also whats so impressive about the Mustafar duel in terms of speed?

Other than Kenobi being able to keep up with Anakin, I'm not sure.

Not getting what Bane's speed has anything to do with it, he isn't in either duelist's speed tier so there is no point referencing running speed. He isn't even remotely as skilled as either, which is what everyone keeps avoiding. Seeing as this is a sabers only duel, and the closest Bane has ever had to beating someone(without armor/a nexus/) is Sirak- he gets killed by either duelist without either of them even trying.

Originally posted by ILS
Concession accepted >:]

I have to actually debate something to give a concession. But I will accept your concession that your Love for Grievous had no bounds 😛

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I have to actually debate something to give a concession. But I will accept your concession that your Love for Grievous had no bounds 😛

Pretty sure Dooku tells Grievous in LOE and the OCW that he needs Fear, Surprise and Intimidation on his side to beat the best of the Jedi.

Dooku said he needs surprise fear ect in order to ensure victory. Without them, Grievous leaves the possibility of losing up in the air. Which is true for anyone on even footing.

Originally posted by ILS
But you did debate something. 😐
To which I responded:
This is truly unfortunate, DARTH POWER.

Still can't see what I debated. Just pointed out something Dooku said being similar to what Filoni said.

Debating would be - No he didn't say that, you're wrong e.t.c.

Clearly your Love for Grievous has blinded you ILS.

You said that Dooku told Grievous he requires surprise, fear ect in order to beat Jedi. I corrected you in that he doesn't require those factors, only that having them ensures his victory beyond any doubt.

You're dragging this out more than you have to, DARTH POWER.

I probably should've brought up reflexes instead, but...oh well.

Regardless, Anakin and ObiWan have this solidly.

Surprised the mods haven't locked this, obviously the Sith are outclassed in very possible way

Originally posted by ILS
You said that Dooku told Grievous he requires surprise, fear ect in order to beat Jedi. I corrected you in that he doesn't require those factors, only that having them ensures his victory beyond any doubt.
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I pointed out a fact whilst you're playing with semantics.

The fact that Dooku taught Grievous in 2 different sources to use Surprise and Intimidation against the Jedi to defeat them. There's really nothing to correct. And absolutely nothing to concede on my side because I haven't said anything wrong or even debateable as that's simply how Dooku trained Grievous to get the better of the Jedi on combat.

Filoni stated Grievous defeats capable Jedi by intimidating them. Fact.

Dooku taught Grievous to defeat Jedi using Intimidation and Surprise as his weapons. Also Fact.

Since I didn't argue that's the Only Way Grievous can defeat Any Jedi, there's simply nothing for me to concede as I never even made the argument.

Like I said it's only your love for Grievous dragging this conversation on.

The fact that Dooku taught Grievous in 2 different sources to use Surprise and Intimidation against the Jedi to defeat them. There's really nothing to correct. And absolutely nothing to concede on my side because I haven't said anything wrong or even debateable as that's simply how Dooku trained Grievous to get the better of the Jedi on combat.

You said that Dooku told Grievous he requires surprise, fear ect in order to beat Jedi. I corrected you in that he doesn't require those factors, only that having them ensures his victory beyond any doubt.

Filoni stated Grievous defeats capable Jedi by intimidating them. Fact.

Dooku taught Grievous to defeat Jedi using Intimidation and Surprise as his weapons. Also Fact.

Since I didn't argue that's the Only Way Grievous can defeat Any Jedi, there's simply nothing for me to concede as I never even made the argument.

Pretty sure Dooku tells Grievous in LOE and the OCW that he needs Fear, Surprise and Intimidation on his side to beat the best of the Jedi.

Like I said it's only your love for Grievous dragging this conversation on.

Stark, who is your favorite character?

Originally posted by ILS
---- Opinion, although sometimes yes Grievous uses intimidation to get the better of Jedi. Other times he plays with them in groups, fights Kit Fisto whilst not at 100%, and stalemates Mace Windu with impaired movement, so there's that.
Correct!
Well..
---- Nah, I just love talking to you.

I said I'm pretty sure Dooku said Grievous needs Intimidation and Surprise on his side to beat the best of the Jedi.

Whilst you're clinging onto Dooku's exact wording being ensure not needs which you're right he uses that word in the OCW although I'm still not sure if he used that word in LOE. Either way I was talking about Grievous beating the best of the Jedi. Just like Dooku was.

So Again either your playing Semantics, or you just have to jump in every time anyone even hints at Grievous having a combat disadvantage even when compared to the Most Powerful Jedi in the Galaxy.

So whether you are Playing Semantics or honestly claiming Grievous actually has a chance in hell of defeating Yoda, Windu, Dooku or Skywalker in a fair fight, either way I think it best I just give you and Grievous some serious alone time together.

And FYI I don't actually have Filoni and Lucas locked up at gun point forcing them to agree with me. It just so happens I actually Listen to the Highest Canon authorities, instead of "clinging" on to the soon to be obsolete Legend sources where they clearly contradict the Highest Canon Authorities.

But I'm about 1 thing. I'm glad You don't have them locked in your basement. As I know you would just outright kill them for their statements on Grievous and ROTJ Luke.