Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point is, She treated him Like a feeb.. He never treated her the same. Nor was KO'd like him... even when he cheapshots her. That's the point.
Literally you are comparing trained warriors to someone who was taugt never fight and always hold back. And then he still ended up snapping their leaders neck.
Tuck your ballsack and run back home little princess.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You are without a doubt one of the dumbest people on this forum. I mean literally that dumb. Do you think superman can fly to sun? he never showed that he could.. never flew close to that far... This isn't comics (where he's done that for half a century) so I guess he can't then huh? Just because everything wasn't spelled out for you doesn't mean they don't apply . Should I name all the things in the movie that come from comics... I mean literally everything we learn about him comes from comics... Yet, somehow, comics aren't valid, like at all LOL. The idiocy of such a line of thought is mindboggling. Ohh well I know most everything mentioned about superman comes from and is based on the comics.. but comics don't count LOL.
Oh, Jesus Christ. Are you Quan's more retarded brother or something? You are making no sense. Instead of refuting my claims, you're just moving the goal posts. I'll explain why you can't use the comics in the most simple way possible. The movie is based on the comics but isn't the same as the comics, it's an adaptation. Kryptonian powers clearly work a bit differently in the movie then in the comics, Kryptonians aren't affected by air in the comics, but they are in the movie. This is fact. You can't apply feats and powers from the comics in a movie debate, it's like saying Superman benched the Earth in the comics so MoS is stronger than Hulk, it doesn't work that way. Come back when you have an actual argument instead of screaming "muh comics".
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is beyond retarded now. We know via the movies and comics Krypton was under a Red Sun. That is how it was. There is no getting around this fact. Just like there is no getting around the fact that they were thus weakened and like normal humans on Krypton. We see this in the confrontations they had there. NO super speed.. strength or anything shown, and there were fights mind you. Nothing. Futher confirming they are like humans on Krypton. Thus proving beyond a shadow of a doubt adapting had NOTHING to do with anything. Clark could've lived on Krypton his entire life and adapted to it and still been as powerful as a human. It wasn't about him adapting. It was about how poor Krypton's atmosphere was compared to Earth.The director literally slapped you in the face with how important the atmosphere is during Kal breaking free. Jor-El speech listing Atmosphere separately and distinctly should've been good enough. The Kal scene just ends any question. To deny this fact is bordering on retarded.
You were wrong.. you seem to have no clue Ships are designed to keep YSR out. Yet, a vastly more advanced race wouldn't and couldn't do the same? Idiotic to even suggest such a thing.
That's the atmosphere Krypton was living a under. An atmosphere governed by a Red Sun. What else would you call it? The fact is, that with less exposure in ALL areas The Kryptonians were keeping up with Kal and in some cases out performing him. There is no getting around this.
Let me clarify some things with you, because I need to determine just how little you actually observe. Answer in corresponding numbers:
1. Scenario: Kal has been raised on Krypton his entire life, then suddenly placed on a ship and sent into deep space. He is in deep space one month after leaving, and is not in contact with solar radiation of any kind. Do you think that if the atmosphere aboard the ship was changed to Earth-like conditions he would be able to punch a hole in the ship?
2. Considering Jor-El also SEPARATELY mentioned Earth's weaker gravity, do you believe Kal can gain superpowers like X-Ray vision and super hearing from a low gravity environment?
3. Do you care to explain how Dev-Em had the strength to dent Kryptonian metal aboard the scout ship if it was not our yellow sun? I can assure you the atmosphere was not Earth-like at all.
4. Do you believe all atmospheres under a red sun are exactly the same?
Originally posted by Psychotron
No, you dipshit. It's 100% true and supported by the film. Zod freaking says it, you'd have be as retarded as Quan to miss something this obvious. He's body couldn't handle the air because his system had never adapted to it, and now that it was used to the much more nourishing Earth air it was basically poisoning him. This is fact, it's shown when Superman starts COUGHING UP BLOOD AND COLLAPSES, and Zod explains it.Holy shit, you are a moron. THIS. ISN'T. THE. COMICS. This is a movie, and Superman's powers work differently here. You say that longer exposure makes him more powerful, then prove it, the burden of proof is on you. The movie points in the opposite direction, because Zod & co were just as strong as Superman with barely any exposure.
No, because there is no yellow Sun there. How can you be this retarded?
Moron, People have claimed that YSR was penetrating the ship... Which is how one Kryptonian was able to punch a hole in the pod. Thus, according to some he had exposure to YSR while on the ship and the atmosphere STILL made him as weak as a human. The atmosphere ALONE made him that weak. There was no Red Sun on the ship you buffoon. Yet, the atmosphere all by itself made him a weak feeb.. illustrating beyond a shadow of a doubt.. that it had nothing to do with adapting. He could've been on the ship for a decade and still been a feeb.
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Originally posted by TheGrat1
Let me clarify some things with you, because I need to determine just how little you actually observe. Answer in corresponding numbers:1. Scenario: Kal has been raised on Krypton his entire life, then suddenly placed on a ship and sent into deep space. He is in deep space one month after leaving, and is not in contact with solar radiation of any kind. Do you think that if the atmosphere aboard the ship was changed to Earth-like conditions he would be able to punch a hole in the ship?
2. Considering Jor-El also SEPARATELY mentioned Earth's weaker gravity, do you believe Kal can gain superpowers like X-Ray vision and super hearing from a low gravity environment?
3. Do you care to explain how Dev-Em had the strength to dent Kryptonian metal aboard the scout ship if it was not our yellow sun? I can assure you the atmosphere was not Earth-like at all.
4. Do you believe all atmospheres under a red sun are exactly the same?
You're not understanding something so basic that I'm not sure we can go from here. I never said YSR isn't beneficial, or that it doesn't play a significant role in their powers. It does. What I AM saying is that clearly the atmosphere plays a role as well. How much of a role is hard to identify. However, the director literally slapped us in the face with how important atmosphere was and is to Kal. According to the movies.... yes this very well could've happened. It's difficult to say what effect it has exactly.
The weak gravity he was referring to has everything to do with flight and how they are able to fly and manipulate gravity. Does everything need to be spelled out for you? He was listing things that help Kal with his powers or to perform abilities.
I don't need to explain it because I never said absolutely no YSR made it though the ship. I'm saying we don't know. The only argument on this point was you saying you know that it made it through and you didn't seem to know even our ships are made to keep YSR out. Thus, a more advanced race certainly would have the same capabilities and more.
It doesn't matter if they are all the same or not.. They would generally be the same and have the same composition. What we know is, that kind of atmosphere makes clark as weak as feeb.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Oh, Jesus Christ. Are you Quan's more retarded brother or something? You are making no sense. Instead of refuting my claims, you're just moving the goal posts. I'll explain why you can't use the comics in the most simple way possible. The movie is based on the comics but isn't the same as the comics, it's an adaptation. Kryptonian powers clearly work a bit differently in the movie then in the comics, Kryptonians aren't affected by air in the comics, but they are in the movie. This is fact. You can't apply feats and powers from the comics in a movie debate, it's like saying Superman benched the Earth in the comics so MoS is stronger than Hulk, it doesn't work that way. Come back when you have an actual argument instead of screaming "muh comics".
See this is how I know you're retarded. Nobody is saying or talking about feats from comics you imbecile. I understand that and haven't listed any comic book feats and saying MOS superman also gets credit for them. We are talking about the history of the character you moron. That is the issue at hand here. You are saying we can't use comics and movies only... When the character background COMES directly from the comics. Literally ALL the background comes from comics. Yet, when something about his background isn't what you like.. then comics don't count. That's the issue here clownshoes.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
See this is how I know you're retarded. Nobody is saying or talking about feats from comics you imbecile. I understand that and haven't listed any comic book feats and saying MOS superman also gets credit for them. We are talking about the history of the character you moron. That is the issue at hand here. You are saying we can't use comics and movies only... When the character background COMES directly from the comics. Literally ALL the background comes from comics. Yet, when something about his background isn't what you like.. then comics don't count. That's the issue here clownshoes.
Listen, you little snot, you're acting like Superman's powers work the way they do in the comics when the movie DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS YOU. This has absolutely nothing to do with the history of the character. Everything you need to know is directly in front of you, the movie spells it out, yet you still don't get it. I'll explain it like I would to a child.
1. Kryptonian physical strength comes from yellow sun radiation, this is supported by Jor-El and that Kryptonian scientist. What Earth's nourishing atmosphere does is vague at best, only YSR has been linked with Kryptonian physical power and strength.
2.Prolonged exposure to sunlight does not increase power levels. This is not mentioned anywhere in the movie, and there's no reason assume it works that way just because it does in the comics. Proved by Zod's ability to physically overpower Superman on a few occasions despite the fact that he's been exposed to YSR for only a few days.
3. Kryptonian atmosphere doesn't negatively affect Kryptonian powers, it only KOed Superman because his body was "rejecting the ship's atmospherics". This is supported by Zod's statement and by Faora and Nam-Ek's ability to go toe to toe with Superman while breathing Kryptonian air.
4.The Kryptonians did not outperform Superman, they may have temporariliy flash KOed him, but at the end of the day Faora and Namek were KOed, and Zod was killed all thanks to Superman. The fact that he did so well against warriors who were born and trained to fight is actually quite impressive.
Now either come up with some COUNTER POINTS to this or stfu.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Listen, you little snot, you're acting like Superman's powers work the way they do in the comics when the movie DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS YOU. This has absolutely nothing to do with the history of the character. Everything you need to know is directly in front of you, the movie spells it out, yet you still don't get it. I'll explain it like I would to a child.1. Kryptonian physical strength comes from yellow sun radiation, this is supported by Jor-El and that Kryptonian scientist. What Earth's nourishing atmosphere does is vague at best, only YSR has been linked with Kryptonian physical power and strength.
2.Prolonged exposure to sunlight does not increase power levels. This is not mentioned anywhere in the movie, and there's no reason assume it works that way just because it does in the comics. Proved by Zod's ability to physically overpower Superman on a few occasions despite the fact that he's been exposed to YSR for only a few days.
3. Kryptonian atmosphere doesn't negatively affect Kryptonian powers, it only KOed Superman because his body was "rejecting the ship's atmospherics". This is supported by Zod's statement and by Faora and Nam-Ek's ability to go toe to toe with Superman while breathing Kryptonian air.
4.The Kryptonians did not outperform Superman, they may have temporariliy flash KOed him, but at the end of the day Faora and Namek were KOed, and Zod was killed all thanks to Superman. The fact that he did so well against warriors who were born and trained to fight is actually quite impressive.
Now either come up with some COUNTER POINTS to this or stfu.
1. Actually Jor_EL says it's hardened his muscles. He doesn't says he gets his strength from there. It's not vague at best because the Director slaps us in the face that atmosphere DOES make a difference when Kal broke his restraints. The scene couldn't be any more clear. There is nothing vague about it.
2. Wrong again, absence of proof isn't proof. Just because superman wasn't shown flying to the sun doesn't mean he can't. Do you have any clue how to argue, like at all? Just because something wsn't shown.. .doesn't mean they couldn't do it or that the opposite is true. That's the definition of a fallacy. (BTW, I'm not the one who's been defending him being a solar battery lol)
3. Totally false... The atmosphere does make him weak. The scientist flat out says the atmosphere has taken away your strength. he doesn't say for awhile or until you get used to it. He says, it has been neutralized. PERIOD. So yes, it absolutely does. They were getting a boost from the sun... which was obviously counter acting the atmosphere not being good. On the ship.. with no YSR to counteract the poor atmosphere.. they were as weak as humans.
4. Faora was never KO'd by him.. Show me the scene where he was... Neither was Nam.. show me the scene showing him KO'd.. Superman on the other we KNOW was KO'd.. and we know he was treated like a weak feeb.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. Actually Jor_EL says it's hardened his muscles. He doesn't says he gets his strength from there. It's not vague at best because the Director slaps us in the face that atmosphere DOES make a difference when Kal broke his restraints. The scene couldn't be any more clear. There is nothing vague about it.2. Wrong again, absence of proof isn't proof. Just because superman wasn't shown flying to the sun doesn't mean he can't. Do you have any clue how to argue, like at all? Just because something wsn't shown.. .doesn't mean they couldn't do it or that the opposite is true. That's the definition of a fallacy. (BTW, I'm not the one who's been defending him being a solar battery lol)
3. Totally false... The atmosphere does make him weak. The scientist flat out says the atmosphere has taken away your strength. he doesn't say for awhile or until you get used to it. He says, it has been neutralized. PERIOD. So yes, it absolutely does. They were getting a boost from the sun... which was obviously counter acting the atmosphere not being good. On the ship.. with no YSR to counteract the poor atmosphere.. they were as weak as humans.
4. Faora was never KO'd by him.. Show me the scene where he was... Neither was Nam.. show me the scene showing him KO'd.. Superman on the other we KNOW was KO'd.. and we know he was treated like a weak feeb.
1. Oh, who are you trying to fool? I have the movie, Jor-El explicitly says "STRENGTHENING YOUR MUSCLES". Yes, Kal, the guy's whose body rejects Kryptonian air, this applies to him only, not to other Kryptonians whose bodies were adapted and could process Krypton's air.
2. There is zero proof that more exposure = more power, stop with this absence of proof bullshit, it doesn't work like that. I don't have to prove a negative. If you say Superman's body was more powerful due to greater exposure, then prove it. The burden is on you, especially since the movie contradics you multiple times.
3. Are you legitimetely retarded? Serious question, I don't want to pick on handicaped people. Can't you understand that Superman is different from other Kryptonians? HIS body couldn't handle the Kryptonian air, THEIRS were fine because they had adapted to it. HIS body was rejecting the air and effectively being poisoned by it, THEIR bodies experienced no negative effects.
4. You clearly didn't watch the movie. Superman weakened her and took out her helmet which allowed a missile to take her out. He took Nam-Ek out of the fight by punching him into a train, he didn't come back into the fight until minutes later. That's far more than Superman was allegedly KOed. Let's not forget that Superman was getting the better of Faora until Nam-Ek showed up.
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're not understanding something so basic that I'm not sure we can go from here. I never said YSR isn't beneficial, or that it doesn't play a significant role in their powers. It does. What I AM saying is that clearly the atmosphere plays a role as well. How much of a role is hard to identify. However, the director literally slapped us in the face with how important atmosphere was and is to Kal. According to the movies.... yes this very well could've happened. It's difficult to say what effect it has exactly.The weak gravity he was referring to has everything to do with flight and how they are able to fly and manipulate gravity. Does everything need to be spelled out for you? He was listing things that help Kal with his powers or to perform abilities.
I don't need to explain it because I never said absolutely no YSR made it though the ship. I'm saying we don't know. The only argument on this point was you saying you know that it made it through and you didn't seem to know even our ships are made to keep YSR out. Thus, a more advanced race certainly would have the same capabilities and more.
It doesn't matter if they are all the same or not.. They would generally be the same and have the same composition. What we know is, that kind of atmosphere makes clark as weak as feeb.
1. The answer is no, just FYI. And yes Snyder did show us how important atmosphere was to Kal, as in: Earth air/ no air (space), perfectly fine; Kryptonian air: inhibits/weakens superpowers. Nothing in the movie suggests that Earth's atmosphere alone gives him super strength.
2. So you don't know. Jst say that. But you sure are confident that the air is important just because it was mentioned separately, I wonder where all that confidence comes from if you can't make the same link with gravity. Jor-El said Kal had grown stronger than he could have imagined, before he learned to fly. There is nothing to suggest that Jor-El knew he could fly. He was simply listing the differences between Earth and Krypton, and why he is so different from humans there. You need to understand that was all he was doing. I only bring this up because you keep harping on about how Jor separately mentioned Earth's atmosphere like it's some huge clue. All it does is get out of Kal's way and let his body metabolize solar radiation normally, whereas Krypton's air inhibits him. He has his abilities in the vacuum of space, Earth's atmosphere is not needed for superpowers. All he needs is a yellow sun.
Also, Kal flew under the enhanced gravity of the world engine. According to your logic he shouldn't be able the fly in Krypton's gravity but, behold, there he is.
3. You said to even think that Kryptonians wouldn't and couldn't shield their ships from solar radiation is "laughable". Now it's "we don't know". Well speak for yourself because I do know. It makes it into their ships, plain as day. They wouldn't survive being shot/hit with bulkhead doors/and punching dents in metal walls otherwise.
Just concede that sh*t already.
4. I asked this because you asked the stupid question of what would I call it. Obviously, I would call it Kryptonian atmosphere. "Red Sun Atmosphere" implies that it is some standard concoction of gases and particulates that can be found on any planet near a red sun. LMAO @ saying atmospheres from planets galaxies away would be generally the same just because they both orbit a red star. Where is Neil Degrasse Tyson when you need him?
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Originally posted by TheGrat1
1. The answer is no, just FYI. And yes Snyder did show us how important atmosphere was to Kal, as in: Earth air/ no air (space), perfectly fine; Kryptonian air: inhibits/weakens superpowers. Nothing in the movie suggests that Earth's atmosphere alone gives him super strength.2. So you don't know. Jst say that. But you sure are confident that the air is important just because it was mentioned separately, I wonder where all that confidence comes from if you can't make the same link with gravity. Jor-El said Kal had grown stronger than he could have imagined, before he learned to fly. There is nothing to suggest that Jor-El knew he could fly. He was simply listing the differences between Earth and Krypton, and why he is so different from humans there. You need to understand that was all he was doing. I only bring this up because you keep harping on about how Jor separately mentioned Earth's atmosphere like it's some huge clue. All it does is get out of Kal's way and let his body metabolize solar radiation normally, whereas Krypton's air inhibits him. He has his abilities in the vacuum of space, Earth's atmosphere is not needed for superpowers. All he needs is a yellow sun.
Also, Kal flew under the enhanced gravity of the world engine. According to your logic he shouldn't be able the fly in Krypton's gravity but, behold, there he is.3. You said to even think that Kryptonians wouldn't and couldn't shield their ships from solar radiation is "laughable". Now it's "we don't know". Well speak for yourself because I do know. It makes it into their ships, plain as day. They wouldn't survive being shot/hit with bulkhead doors/and punching dents in metal walls otherwise.
Just concede that sh*t already.4. I asked this because you asked the stupid question of what would I call it. Obviously, I would call it Kryptonian atmosphere. "Red Sun Atmosphere" implies that it is some standard concoction of gases and particulates that can be found on any planet near a red sun. LMAO @ saying atmospheres from planets galaxies away would be generally the same just because they both orbit a red star. Where is Neil Degrasse Tyson when you need him?
1. Totally and completely false... The INSTANT he takes a breathe of earth atmosphere he instantly break free. So obviously it does impact strength in some way. Mind you, others arguing with me are saying he's not a solar batter and doesn't store sunlight. Thus, it had everything to do with atmosphere eh?
2. false again, Kal-El can be in space without ANY YSR and is just fine.. See how that works? That is true also, and you've just crushed your own point. His part about Gravity had EVERYTHING to do with flight. Right after that... like literally.. He's shown tying to fly. That is exactly what he was talking about. Again, it wasn't just what Jor-El stated.. We also see it in action when Kal broke free. NO YSR.. nothing... but atmosphere and he casually breaks free
3. Again totally false.. We see them with supposed superpowers according to you.. Get KO'd by doors... Get KO'd by blaster fire.. be unable to overpower Lois and stop her or even catch her with their super speed. All those examples point to them having NO powers not powers. You have one example.. I can list more showing they didn't. See how that works? You really think about what you're saying before typing it. There are more examples showing they didn't than they did. True or not?
4. The point is, even not near a red sun... Krypton atmosphere made him like a feeb. Obviously it makes a HUGE difference to them. To pretend otherwise is laughable
Originally posted by Psychotron
1. Oh, who are you trying to fool? I have the movie, Jor-El explicitly says "STRENGTHENING YOUR MUSCLES". Yes, Kal, the guy's whose body rejects Kryptonian air, this applies to him only, not to other Kryptonians whose bodies were adapted and could process Krypton's air.2. There is zero proof that more exposure = more power, stop with this absence of proof bullshit, it doesn't work like that. I don't have to prove a negative. If you say Superman's body was more powerful due to greater exposure, then prove it. The burden is on you, especially since the movie contradics you multiple times.
3. Are you legitimetely retarded? Serious question, I don't want to pick on handicaped people. Can't you understand that Superman is different from other Kryptonians? HIS body couldn't handle the Kryptonian air, THEIRS were fine because they had adapted to it. HIS body was rejecting the air and effectively being poisoned by it, THEIR bodies experienced no negative effects.
4. You clearly didn't watch the movie. Superman weakened her and took out her helmet which allowed a missile to take her out. He took Nam-Ek out of the fight by punching him into a train, he didn't come back into the fight until minutes later. That's far more than Superman was allegedly KOed. Let's not forget that Superman was getting the better of Faora until Nam-Ek showed up.
So you're dumb and blind then.. Cool
Kal wasn't getting the better of his fight with Faora... She literally treaded him like a feeb and called him weak. "You're weak son of El" as she catches him mind flight and slams him to the ground like a weak. so he rushes her.. send her through a building and to the ground... AT WHICH POINT he tried to continue pounding on her... but she DODGES his attack on the ground and then Nam grabs him. She was perfectly fine. That isn't Kal dominating the fight. He had a moment where he gained the upper hand. Nothing more. Point is, Kal was KO'd by Nam... and treated like a feeb. Kal cheapshotting Faora later when she wasn't even looking and taking her mask out isn't the least bit impressive
You're saying more exposure means nothing.. it's up to YOU to back up that claim not me. The way you back up your claim is absence of proof if proof fallacy. Understand now? That isn't how you back up a claim moron. Also, I'm guessing you don't agree with the Wikia page about the movie that was posted by somebody arguing on your side. It flat out says... he's more powerful because he has been on earth longer soaking up YSR.. So I'm guessing you discount what was posted by others?
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