Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Write NOTHING from a Valid source saying his power comes from YSR like you said. A wikia page doesn't count as a valid source... Not even close. All the movie lines do... and not one of them mentions power... Only Strength... Senses.. Skin.. Now WHERE IS THE LINE IN THE MOVIE that mentions power?
Since when is the film wiki of the film in question and quotes from the film not a valid source in the MVF? Stop trolling already, it's getting ridiculous now.
Originally posted by Robtard
Since when is the film wiki of the film in question and quotes from the film not a valid source in the MVF? Stop trolling already, it's getting ridiculous now.
Where did I say movie lines weren't... Point me 2 that quote of mine. In fact, I said the opposite, movie quotes are the only thing valid you've posted. Wikia page isn't a valid source buddy. Now where in the movie does it mention his powers coming from YSR like you said?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Where did I say movie lines weren't... Point me 2 that quote of mine. In fact, I said the opposite, movie quotes are the only thing valid you've posted. Wikia page isn't a valid source buddy. Now where in the movie does it mention his powers coming from YSR like you said?
This is you being incorrect again. Maybe you should read the MVF rules and cease being incorrect?
Edit: Since I am like a cup overflowing with the milk of human kindness, I will go ahead and just show it to you:
MVF Rules 2) Google, YouTube, and Wikipedia are your friends. Use them wisely to find all sorts of neat material for your threads.
You're welcome
Originally posted by Robtard
This is you being incorrect again. Maybe you should read the MVF rules and cease being incorrect?Edit: Since I am like a cup overflowing with the milk of human kindness, I will go ahead and just show it to you:
MVF Rules 2) Google, YouTube, and Wikipedia are your friends. Use them wisely to find all sorts of neat material for your threads.
You're welcome
I never said you can't go there to TRY and find information. However, to even pretend that Wiki is a good source of information is beyond retarded. When people post sources to support their argument and they are wiki.. They are utterly laughed at in the real world. Here is no different. You do understand how Wiki works and why it's not a good source of information right?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I never said you can't go there to TRY and find information. However, to even pretend that Wiki is a good source of information is beyond retarded. When people post sources to support their argument and they are wiki.. They are utterly laughed at in the real world. Here is no different. You do understand how Wiki works and why it's not a good source of information right?
IOW: You made an incorrect claim again and are trying to find a way to not lose face. You would do better just admitting you made an error and gracefully move forward
To be fair, it does say "Wikipedia" and not Wikia, so let me amend by substituting, even though it's virtually the same info:
"The cellular structure of Kryptonians allows for solar energy to be absorbed at extremely high levels. On the planet Krypton, whose sun was an ancient red supergiant with a relatively low energy output, their natural abilities were the same as humans. When exposed to a young yellow star like Earth's Sun, which is much smaller than their own sun and with a vastly higher energy output, their bodies are able to absorb and process so much energy that it eventually manifests as vast superhuman powers (such as superhuman strength, superhuman speed, invulnerability, flight, x-ray vision, heat vision, and superhuman senses). Wiki
Combine that above with Jor-El's and Jax-Ur's quotes from MoS and there you go. I do hope this matter is now settled.
Originally posted by Robtard
"Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet its atmosphere is more nourishing. You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong, is to keep testing your limits." - Jor-El MoS"You're wasting your efforts. The strength you derived from your exposure to the earth's sun has been neutralized on our ship. Here, in this environment, you're as weak as a human." -Jax-Ur
edit:
Further of note:
In Man of Steel, Kryptonians are depicted as being a genetically-engineered race of beings, a practice used for artificial population control and meant to make it so that the people could be more efficient in their regards as a scientist (Jor-El and Lara), Warrior (General Zod and Faora), etc. Long before then, they were a race in the midst of an era of expansion, traveling to other worlds via scout ships to possibly settle on and build outposts there (which implied children were created the traditional way). Kal-El is the first (and technically, last) naturally-born Kryptonian in centuries, as Jor-El and Lara believed Krypton was something precious and wished to capitalize on this belief. As in the comics, Kal-El's, known to the world as "Superman", powers are depicted as being superior to other Kryptonians due to his spending a far longer amount of time exposed to Earth's yellow sun and atmosphere, though some have an advantage over him in terms of combat experience (e.g. Zod, Faora, and Nam-Ek). Interestingly, while the other Kryptonians receive great strength and speed from the Earth's sun, they require solar-suits to regulate the radiation and avoid being stricken by pain. In addition, it is shown that without some form of training, Kryptonians are left vulnerable to their own abilities, as the case with Zod when Superman destroyed his solar-visor and caused him to develop a sensory overload.
So it seems most people where wrong and right about some things.
Originally posted by Robtard
IOW: You made an incorrect claim again and are trying to find a way to not lose face. You would do better just admitting you made an error and gracefully move forwardTo be fair, it does say "Wikipedia" and not Wikia, so let me amend by substituting, even though it's virtually the same info:
"The cellular structure of Kryptonians allows for solar energy to be absorbed at extremely high levels. On the planet Krypton, whose sun was an ancient red supergiant with a relatively low energy output, their natural abilities were the same as humans. When exposed to a young yellow star like Earth's Sun, which is much smaller than their own sun and with a vastly higher energy output, their bodies are able to absorb and process so much energy that it eventually manifests as vast superhuman powers (such as superhuman strength, superhuman speed, invulnerability, flight, x-ray vision, heat vision, and superhuman senses). Wiki
Combine that above with Jor-El's and Jax-Ur's quotes from MoS and there you go. I do hope this matter is now settled.
edit:
Further of note:
In Man of Steel, Kryptonians are depicted as being a genetically-engineered race of beings, a practice used for artificial population control and meant to make it so that the people could be more efficient in their regards as a scientist (Jor-El and Lara), Warrior (General Zod and Faora), etc. Long before then, they were a race in the midst of an era of expansion, traveling to other worlds via scout ships to possibly settle on and build outposts there (which implied children were created the traditional way). Kal-El is the first (and technically, last) naturally-born Kryptonian in centuries, as Jor-El and Lara believed Krypton was something precious and wished to capitalize on this belief. As in the comics, Kal-El's, known to the world as "Superman", powers are depicted as being superior to other Kryptonians due to his spending a far longer amount of time exposed to Earth's yellow sun and atmosphere, though some have an advantage over him in terms of combat experience (e.g. Zod, Faora, and Nam-Ek). Interestingly, while the other Kryptonians receive great strength and speed from the Earth's sun, they require solar-suits to regulate the radiation and avoid being stricken by pain. In addition, it is shown that without some form of training, Kryptonians are left vulnerable to their own abilities, as the case with Zod when Superman destroyed his solar-visor and caused him to develop a sensory overload.
So it seems most people where wrong and right about some things.
Why would I need to amend anything. Wiki is NOT a valid source nor is it a good one. It doesn't matter of the MvF says you can find useful information on there. That is a far cry from saying it's a good source, let alone one high up on the pecking order. It's not, and that is the point I was making.
Your last paragraph is interesting... isn't Rob? Seems some were right about some things eh?
Re: Re: Ya'll be trippin...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Totally baseless speculation on your part. They literally design ships today to keep out Solar radiation. This is a common thing in space exploration. To even think, that an even more advanced race wouldn't and couldn't do the same is laughable.
I have a scan showing Kryptonians aboard their ships, in their atmosphere, punching dents in the wall. You have the air changing and Kal breaking free, whilst ignoring or denying all other factors. But my speculation is baseless? GTFO.
Say what you like, but for whatever reason yellow solar radiation can penetrate their ships, it's not as though they would have a reason to stop it either.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Jor-El SPECIFICALLY and SEPERATLY mentions YSR AND Earth atmosphere and how nourishing it is. Atmosphere does play a role. You literally have no basis at all to say that the atmosphere on the ship was merely not allowing Kal_el to process YSR and it was all still in him at the time. You have zero proof of that what so ever.
He also mentioned Earth's gravity. Does Kal-El get X-Ray vision and super hearing from low gravity now too? Because that is the logical leap you are asking us to make. Does Earth's less harsh atmosphere play a role? Of course it does, but that alone cannot give Kal super strength. It cannot. Period.
I have plenty of basis. Paraphrasing Jax-Ur: "The strength you derive from the the Earth's sun has been neutralized aboard our ship."
Not gone, not sapped from your body or disappeared somehow. NEUTRALIZED!!! As in rendered inert, or dormant. Once the inhibiting atmosphere was changed, his body was able to process that energy again. Perfectly logical.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You also keep talking about adapting to Krypton atmosphere as it tha would make any kind of difference. As has already been stated. On krypton under a red sun with a atmosphere under a red sun they are like normal humans. Clark's weakness had nothing to do with him not adapting. He could've lived on Krypton his entire life and adapted and still been powerless. How this canon fact escaped you is beyond me.
Please, for your own good, stop saying "red sun atmosphere" or any derivative of that. It makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about (highly likely). It doesn't even make sense in context of the film. Never was a "red sun" alluded to. Rao (Krypton's sun) was not the traditional Red Giant star that we are used to. Earth's sun was stated as being "younger and brighter", meaning Rao was likely just old and dim.
No one ever said anything to the contrary, nothing escaped me. Kal's loss of power has everything to do with him not adapting to Krypton's ecology, Zod says so himself.
Originally posted by Robtard
👆Is that comic worth reading?
I liked it, it provided a good look into life on Krypton. You may as well read it anyway, it's only about 25 pages and isn't terribly heavy on dialog.
Jor-El didn't say a lot of things, like Kryptonians having an anus, but do we question that Kryptonians are an anus-free race? No, we don't. We take what is canon from Superman and use it to fill in the little details in MoS, since it would be silly if 99.9% of the film was Jor-El explaining every minutia of detail. Sometimes I really wonder about this place.
I'm just saying, Rao in Man of Steel is depicted differently from the norm.
Superman Returns:
Blood red.
Man of Steel:
Dark yellow.
When Jor-El is looking at Earth before he sends Kal away, Keelex says it is orbiting a "main sequence yellow star", and Jor calls it "a young star". There is never any mention of Rao being red, just old and dim, like a senile man.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He's had YEARS and YEARS of exposure without any suit on.. He only put that suit on recently.False again, Jor-El makes it clear that the atmosphere also plays a role and listed them as two separate things.. Which they are. You haven't disproved a single thing Carver. You're not understanding... nobody is saying YSR doesn't empower him further or strengthen him... It does. However, the atmosphere also empowers him and makes him even stronger. Of this there can be no doubt. So when he's in space.. He still has YSR to feed on even if the atmosphere isn't present. How this basic and logical point alludes you is beyond me.
Yes they did outperform him... They Temp KO'd him.. Faora called him weak as she treated him like a weak feeb. This was all down with SIGNIFCANTLY less Yellow Sun exposure and NO exposure with our atmosphere noted to be nourishing. They had no exposure to that and we're still outperforming him.
You keep going on and on about adapting and that is a blatant and total lie. It has NOTHING to do with adapting. Clark could've lived on Krypton his entire life and adapted and still been powerless there. His lack of strength had nothing to do with adapting at all. As shown Kryptonians can live there their entire lives and have no powers. It had nothing to do with adapting.. Krypton's atmosphere made him weak.. as soon as he breathed Earth's he instantly broke free. The director couldn't have illustrated how important our atmosphere was anymore than that scene. Though Jor_el Saying it should've been good enough
And you have yet to PROVE THAT LONGER EXPOSURE MAKES THEM MORE POWERFUL. This isn't the comics, their powers don't work the same way here. And he wore clothes in his everyday life, it's not like he's part of a nudist colony. Face it, Superman wasn't more powerful than the other Kryptonians.
It plays some kind of role but we have no idea what, it's all too vague. We do know, however, that the Sun is what gives them their phyiscal power, the fact that Faora and Nam-Ek were a physical match for him without Earth air, as well as the fact that Superman retains powers in space proves this.
They didn't outperfom him, Faora called him weak before he started getting serious, she was only saved due to Nam-Ek's intervention. In fact, it's quite impressive that Superman held his own against two trained genetically modified Kryptonians. Again, prove that longer exposure actually does something, and explain just what "nourishing" means withing the context of Kryptonian powers.
Are you retarded? Zod directly explains that Superman's weakness on their ship is due to his body rejecting Kryptonian air. Did you miss the scene were Superman was coughing up blood and knocked out? And you call me Carver, hilarious. The scenes where the Kryptonians lose their masks point towards the atmosphere giving them their sensory powers, nothing more.
Originally posted by TheGrat1
I'm just saying, Rao in Man of Steel is depicted differently from the norm.Superman Returns:
Blood red.
Man of Steel:
Dark yellow.
When Jor-El is looking at Earth before he sends Kal away, Keelex says it is orbiting a "main sequence yellow star", and Jor calls it "a young star". There is never any mention of Rao being red, just old and dim, like a senile man.
That's pretty much what a Red Giant would look like apparently to someone looking at it planet-side. It also seems to be setting, so the color would be fluctuating somewhat.
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The "old dim" reference also fits with Rao once being a star like ours (as posted: main sequence Yellow Dwarf), but being much older and in a later sequence of its life.
Also of note: "A red giant is a relatively old star whose diameter is about 100 times bigger than it was originally, and had become cooler (the surface temperature is under 6,500 K). They are frequently orange in color." Link
Another possibility would be a Red Dwarf (like what is used in the New 52 series), since Red Dwarf stars have extremely long run cycles and put out very little energy compared to our sun. But the above fits better using going off the pic of Rao from MoS and with how huge it looks and what Jor-El stated.
Originally posted by Robtard
Jor-El didn't say a lot of things, like Kryptonians having an anus, but do we question that Kryptonians are an anus-free race? No, we don't. We take what is canon from Superman and use it to fill in the little details in MoS, since it would be silly if 99.9% of the film was Jor-El explaining every minutia of detail. Sometimes I really wonder about this place.
That comment was not directed at you.
Origin Superman movies and all comics show as soon as Krptonians arrive on earth they instantly have powers and some have to learn to use them and some take longer to learn certain ones then others. Bottom line they all have the same powers. Namek and Faora could fly. They just didn't care to or see the need not time to learn how.
Re: Re: Re: Ya'll be trippin...
Originally posted by TheGrat1
I have a scan showing Kryptonians aboard their ships, in their atmosphere, punching dents in the wall. You have the air changing and Kal breaking free, whilst ignoring or denying all other factors. But my speculation is baseless? GTFO.Say what you like, but for whatever reason yellow solar radiation can penetrate their ships, it's not as though they would have a reason to stop it either.
He also mentioned Earth's gravity. Does Kal-El get X-Ray vision and super hearing from low gravity now too? Because that is the logical leap you are asking us to make. Does Earth's less harsh atmosphere play a role? Of course it does, but that alone cannot give Kal super strength. It cannot. Period.
I have plenty of basis. Paraphrasing Jax-Ur: "The strength you derive from the the Earth's sun has been neutralized aboard our ship."
Not gone, not sapped from your body or disappeared somehow. NEUTRALIZED!!! As in rendered inert, or dormant. Once the inhibiting atmosphere was changed, his body was able to process that energy again. Perfectly logical.Please, for your own good, stop saying "red sun atmosphere" or any derivative of that. It makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about (highly likely). It doesn't even make sense in context of the film. Never was a "red sun" alluded to. Rao (Krypton's sun) was not the traditional Red Giant star that we are used to. Earth's sun was stated as being "younger and brighter", meaning Rao was likely just old and dim.
No one ever said anything to the contrary, nothing escaped me. Kal's loss of power has everything to do with him not adapting to Krypton's ecology, Zod says so himself.
I liked it, it provided a good look into life on Krypton. You may as well read it anyway, it's only about 25 pages and isn't terribly heavy on dialog.
This is beyond retarded now. We know via the movies and comics Krypton was under a Red Sun. That is how it was. There is no getting around this fact. Just like there is no getting around the fact that they were thus weakened and like normal humans on Krypton. We see this in the confrontations they had there. NO super speed.. strength or anything shown, and there were fights mind you. Nothing. Futher confirming they are like humans on Krypton. Thus proving beyond a shadow of a doubt adapting had NOTHING to do with anything. Clark could've lived on Krypton his entire life and adapted to it and still been as powerful as a human. It wasn't about him adapting. It was about how poor Krypton's atmosphere was compared to Earth.
The director literally slapped you in the face with how important the atmosphere is during Kal breaking free. Jor-El speech listing Atmosphere separately and distinctly should've been good enough. The Kal scene just ends any question. To deny this fact is bordering on retarded.
You were wrong.. you seem to have no clue Ships are designed to keep YSR out. Yet, a vastly more advanced race wouldn't and couldn't do the same? Idiotic to even suggest such a thing.
That's the atmosphere Krypton was living a under. An atmosphere governed by a Red Sun. What else would you call it? The fact is, that with less exposure in ALL areas The Kryptonians were keeping up with Kal and in some cases out performing him. There is no getting around this.