Originally posted by Time Immemorial
IIRR Thor had to get saved from being crushed by a space ship, which had that not happened he would not be getting up from that measuring how screwed up he was after Kurse tossed a boulder on him. Clark on the other hand was having trains, gravity beams, oil rigs, and other Kryptonians beat down on him without so much as drawing blood.
Those are durability feats, not strength feats.
Durability is closely tied to strength. I know that durability and strength are considered distinctly different attributes on this forum but in real world physics they are very closely related. I don't usually use "real world physics" when debating these forum battles but since you and others used the "flight/speed affects Superman's strength feats" argument it's only fair if I use something similar... I don't see how this is even remotely a contest. Superman MoS is by far stronger than anyone on the list.
Nuff said...
Originally posted by Star428
Durability is closely tied to strength. I know that durability and strength are considered distinctly different attributes on this forum but in real world physics they are very closely related. I don't usually use "real world physics" when debating these forum battles but since you and others used the "flight/speed affects Superman's strength feats" argument it's only fair if I use something similar... I don't see how this is even remotely a contest. Superman MoS is by far stronger than anyone on the list.Nuff said...
In the real world, durability is called toughness and it's different from strength. It's true that a lot of strong people are also tough, but that's because the training they do to become strong also makes them tough. That doesn't mean though that stength is directly proportional to stength. A world champion strongman can be stronger than most athletes but does that mean he can take more punches than a heavyweight boxer?
Flight affects strength feats because it gives you the advantage of more options for leverage. Speed is a big factor because velocity and momentum can greatly affect the amount of force.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Are you joking? Nam, who is weaker than Kal, was capable of tossing entire trains, which Supes tanked. Zod, also weaker, was moving satellites. A collision between Zod and Kal created an crater in a skyscraper from the shockwave. Supes is definitely the strongest out of all listed here.
I'm trying to figure out why you think the feats you listed are even the least bit impressive. They aren't. Further, there is nothing to suggest that Supes is stronger than Nam or even Zod for that matter. Nam at various points was trying Superman like a feeb. At one point he even KO"d him. I wouldn't bring up Zod in any superman argument. He was able to adapt to his powers significantly faster, which MUCH less Yellow Sun exposure than superman, and yet still, he was able to compete with superman physically in every way. The reality is this... superman didn't have any really impressive feats
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
And which quantifiable feats did Thor or Hulk possess. You have no idea the weight of the leviathan and since it was under anti gravity, it makes it essentially weightless. On the other hand you have a gravity engine that has so much power by amplifying gravity it crushed the city and was going to turn earth into krypton. Hows that for quantifiable. 😆
It was SLOWLY destroying the city... VERY slowly at that. The beat wasn't impressive in the least. I never said they had a lot or even good feats themselves. What I am saying is, neither did Superman
Superman overpowered Nam-Ek quite casually when he wasn't dealing with Faora and him at the same time. And he overpowered Zod at the end.
Whatever else you might say, you have to agree that overpowering a black hole was extremely impressive, especially since a smaller one killed a being that was >> Thor.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It was SLOWLY destroying the city... VERY slowly at that. The beat wasn't impressive in the least. I never said they had a lot or even good feats themselves. What I am saying is, neither did Superman
Slowly destroying the city? You mean it took 20-30 minutes? How fast did the leviathans destroy the city?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Slowly destroying the city? You mean it took 20-30 minutes? How fast did the leviathans destroy the city?
Who knows how long it would take the beam since it didn't even destroy it the time it was on the screen. THAT is how slow it was. As I said... it wasn't impressive.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Superman overpowered Nam-Ek quite casually when he wasn't dealing with Faora and him at the same time. And he overpowered Zod at the end.Whatever else you might say, you have to agree that overpowering a black hole was extremely impressive, especially since a smaller one killed a being that was >> Thor.
This couldn't be further from the Truth.. he didn't casually do anything to Nam, and certainly nothing casually. In fact, much like Zod... he wasn't absorbing the yellow sun because of his suit preventing that. As you'll notice he never got exposed to the sun and the environment like Faora and Zod and we see how they are effected. He wasn't exposed and yet was treating superman like a feeb at certain points... KO'd superman at one point and was generally keeping up with him. Superman had exposure his entire life and still couldn't overpower people who weren't exposed for nearly as long. Again mentioning Zod doesn't end well with superman fans. He was keeping up with superman and in many ways surpassing him in his ability to adapt and pick up powers faster. And again, he wasn't exposed for nearly as long.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWut?
Who knows how long it would take the beam since it didn't even destroy it the time it was on the screen. THAT is how slow it was. As I said... it wasn't impressive.
It was not designed to destroy the city. It was designed to make the planet Krypton.. The destruction of man made structures was a secondary effect. As Zod stated Krypton was going to be built on the ashes of earth...the city was being turned to ash.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This couldn't be further from the Truth.. he didn't casually do anything to Nam, and certainly nothing casually. In fact, much like Zod... he wasn't absorbing the yellow sun because of his suit preventing that. As you'll notice he never got exposed to the sun and the environment like Faora and Zod and we see how they are effected. He wasn't exposed and yet was treating superman like a feeb at certain points... KO'd superman at one point and was generally keeping up with him. Superman had exposure his entire life and still couldn't overpower people who weren't exposed for nearly as long. Again mentioning Zod doesn't end well with superman fans. He was keeping up with superman and in many ways surpassing him in his ability to adapt and pick up powers faster. And again, he wasn't exposed for nearly as long.
They were clearly exposed on some level, otherwise they wouldn't have had super strength and speed. Also, there's no proof that prolonged exposure to sunlight gradually increases the powers of Kryptonians like it does in the comics. Even if it does, we know Superman holds back a lot. Oh, so Superman didn't casually knock Nam-Ek into a train taking him out of the fight for a few minutes? Gotcha. Zod was a warrior who had spent his entire life training and fighting, Superman was a farmboy, and he still defeated him.
The Kryptonian battle-suits did nothing to stop solar radiation absorption by all appearances
Arguably, neither did the structure of Zod's flag-ship, as once the environment was turned to match Earth's, Clark and the other Krptonians on board regained their powers
So it seems the only way to lose powers is being inside a ship, that is in space and has Kryptonian life-support running
Originally posted by Robtard
The Kryptonian battle-suits did nothing to stop solar radiation absorption by all appearancesArguably, neither did the structure of Zod's flag-ship, as once the environment was turned to match Earth's, Clark and the other Krptonians on board regained their powers
So it seems the only way to lose powers is being inside a ship, that is in space and has Kryptonian life-support running
Were you even watching the movie? Of course it was stopping it.. Why do you think they were just fine.. until they were exposed... Then Faora and Zod both experienced serious issues and couldn't keep all of it out. So yes, their suit was preventing a lot, if not all exposure to them. This is further illustrated by Zod getting powers once he was exposed... Learning to fly.. HV vision etc etc. That was a direct result of being exposed
Originally posted by Psychotron
They were clearly exposed on some level, otherwise they wouldn't have had super strength and speed. Also, there's no proof that prolonged exposure to sunlight gradually increases the powers of Kryptonians like it does in the comics. Even if it does, we know Superman holds back a lot. Oh, so Superman didn't casually knock Nam-Ek into a train taking him out of the fight for a few minutes? Gotcha. Zod was a warrior who had spent his entire life training and fighting, Superman was a farmboy, and he still defeated him.
You act like Kryptonians are human level unless on earth. They aren't and they aren't even close to that level. You seem to forget that they were on Krypton which was essentially a red sun and thus they were far far weaker than they could be. It's explained that the Council feared what Kryptonians were capable of under a yellow sun and feared they would abuse their powers. Thus, they were okay being on Krypton and being weaker than they should be. Once Zod and Faora were removed from that situation powers would've returned. They could clearly do all the things they tired as if it was nothing special and they knew they could... The Jumping... speed acts etc etc... They didn't have that look of surprise or exclamation Zod did when he learned he could fly and HV. Faora... Zod.. and Nam performed things before exposure like they knew they already could.
Of course it does... Superman's father goes out of his way to explain this... He mentions superman being stronger than he ever could've imagined. He even mentions the YEARS of being exposed to the sun has strengthened and hardened his muscles. So yes, long term exposure was clearly beneficial to him and this is made clear by the conversation with his dad.
Know he didn't casually do anything. should I bring up how Faora was casually treating superman like a weak feeb before Nam did? Faora was treating superman like a feeb much more so than Superman ever did to Nam. Yeah superman briefly took nam out o fthe fight... but did you miss the part right before where they were battling back and further to a near standstill? Did you miss the part where Nam then "casually" takes superman out with the train? Did you miss the part where Nam KO'd superman ? Nothing about that fight was casual... unless you're referring to the kryptonians and what they did to Kal
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Wut?It was not designed to destroy the city. It was designed to make the planet Krypton.. The destruction of man made structures was a secondary effect. As Zod stated Krypton was going to be built on the ashes of earth...the city was being turned to ash.
YOU mentioned the city being destroyed as if it was the least bit impressive. I'm pointing out it wasn't impressive, nor was the city destroyed. Simple.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Were you even watching the movie? Of course it was stopping it.. Why do you think they were just fine.. until they were exposed... Then Faora and Zod both experienced serious issues and couldn't keep all of it out. So yes, their suit was preventing a lot, if not all exposure to them. This is further illustrated by Zod getting powers once he was exposed... Learning to fly.. HV vision etc etc. That was a direct result of being exposed
With eyes wide open. But this is why you're wrong here:
-Suit seemingly only prevented sensory overload, eg Nam-Ek was strong enough to throw a train as if it were a baseball 10 mins (or so) after landing on Earth, eg Faora was speed-blitzing better than Clark ever showed
-Zod flying and heat-vision was due to him quickly mastering his abilities due to being from the warrior caste. Proof: Clark spent 30+ years on Earth, yet didn’t fly until he tried and focused
Originally posted by Robtard
With eyes wide open. But this is why you're wrong here:-Suit seemingly only prevented sensory overload, eg Nam-Ek was strong enough to throw a train as if it were a baseball 10 mins (or so) after landing on Earth, eg Faora was speed-blitzing better than Clark ever showed
-Zod flying and heat-vision was due to him quickly mastering his abilities due to being from the warrior caste. Proof: Clark spent 30+ years on Earth, yet didn’t fly until he tried and focused
This couldn't be further from the truth as this post explains that I guess you didn't read right above
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You act like Kryptonians are human level unless on earth. They aren't and they aren't even close to that level. You seem to forget that they were on Krypton which was essentially a red sun and thus they were far far weaker than they could be. It's explained that the Council feared what Kryptonians were capable of under a yellow sun and feared they would abuse their powers. Thus, they were okay being on Krypton and being weaker than they should be. Once Zod and Faora were removed from that situation powers would've returned. They could clearly do all the things they tired as if it was nothing special and they knew they could... The Jumping... speed acts etc etc... They didn't have that look of surprise or exclamation Zod did when he learned he could fly and HV. Faora... Zod.. and Nam performed things before exposure like they knew they already could.Of course it does... Superman's father goes out of his way to explain this... He mentions superman being stronger than he ever could've imagined. He even mentions the YEARS of being exposed to the sun has strengthened and hardened his muscles. So yes, long term exposure was clearly beneficial to him and this is made clear by the conversation with his dad.
NO he didn't casually do anything. should I bring up how Faora was casually treating superman like a weak feeb before Nam did? Faora was treating superman like a feeb much more so than Superman ever did to Nam. Yeah superman briefly took nam out o fthe fight... but did you miss the part right before where they were battling back and further to a near standstill? Did you miss the part where Nam then "casually" takes superman out with the train? Did you miss the part where Nam KO'd superman ? Nothing about that fight was casual... unless you're referring to the kryptonians and what they did to Kal
Again Zod did what he did because he could master his senses, but this doesn't change the fact that he was EXPOSED which is why he could do them. If not for the exposure some of those powers would've never arrived. The jumping and strength were already there... Hence they weren't surprised when they could do them in the least. Do you even read the comics these characters are based on... You act like you haven't and think kryptonians are naturally weak and without powers... This couldn't be further from truth. The already have abilities once they are removed from a red sun.