Physical Strength Contest: Superman VS Kurse VS Thor VS The Hulk

Started by TheGrat115 pages

Let me clear all this bullshit about exposure and powers up:

Where the abilities come from: They only get superkryptonian abilities from exposure to a young star (yellow, and presumably, blue/whatever color gives the super powers in the comics). Even on board Black Zero they had them. Evidence: Exhibit A: Kryptonians were being shot by Lois (with the same gun that killed a council member earlier) and hit hard by doors, yet they were fine later.

The Armor: The armor limits little, if any exposure to solar radiation. It's the mask that is the key to them being limited. The mask keeps them breathing an artificial version of native Kryptonian atmosphere, which is "less nourishing" than Earth's. Essentially: Krypton's harsh air inhibits super powers, whereas Earth's nurtures them. Evidence: Exhibit A: Kal-EL being weaker/completely depowered around kryptonian atmosphere, because he wasn't used to it. Exhibit B: Zod's initial exposure to our atmosphere left him overwhelmed by heightened senses that seemed to be activating on their own. It is easier to go from Krypton to Earth than vice versa. The native Kryptonians were not inhibited by their atmosphere simply because they had adapted to it. When Zod discarded his mask and mentally managed his exposure to our atmosphere, our air immediately began to nurture two underdeveloped abilities: heat vision and flight.

Kal-El's prolonged exposure: It is true that Kal was absorbing solar radiation for longer than the others, and it is likely due to that that he possesses such a physique despite likely doing no exercise or pushing himself, and his ability to fight them despite being untrained (he was more familiar his abilities). However, it is flawed to think that longer exposure automatically = more power. A Kryptonian's body, as I understand it, is like a solar battery. After a while a battery simply cannot be safely charged any further (sans sun-dipping, which we don't even know if MoS Kal is capable of yet). Zod's soldiers were within Earth's orbit for at least 20 hours before Faora took custody of Kal. They were being charged this entire time. It is reasonable to assume they were approaching Kal's level of pound-for-pound strength and speed this entire time, even under their atmosphere.

Hulk never beat Thor in a fight. Even Hulk's strongest punches never even bruised Goldilocks's face in Avengers. As in durability Hulk and Thor can can hand with Supes.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Jesus Christ, are you serious? Did you even pay attention? Their suits were filtering out the atmosphere, not sun light. Sun light gave them their strength and speed, the air gave them the rest. They even made a point of showing Superman being depowered by Kryptonian atmosphere on the ship.

KT missed the part where Jor El told him how earhs sun and atmosphere and gravity all gave him his powers.

KT is under the impression that its just the sun that gave him his powers and thinks the suits blocked them. When actually they did not, trolling at its finest unless he did not understand the movie at all.

Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
Hulk never beat Thor in a fight. Even Hulk's strongest punches never even bruised Goldilocks's face in Avengers. As in durability Hulk and Thor can can hand with Supes.

The first punch Hulk landed on Thor gave him a bloody nose.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
The first punch Hulk landed on Thor gave him a bloody nose.

Was there even blood?

Min 1:34

YouTube video

Yes. Right before he wipes his nose we clearly see blood.

Thor wipes the blood, looks at it on his hand and smiles, basically thinking "ah, a real fight".

Originally posted by Robtard
Thor wipes the blood, looks at it on his hand and smiles, basically thinking "ah, a worthy foe".

Go figure they make it less bloody.

Thor's extremely durable, makes sense Hulk wouldn't crack open his face with a single punch

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Let me clear all this bullshit about exposure and powers up:

Where the abilities come from: They only get superkryptonian abilities from exposure to a young star (yellow, and presumably, blue/whatever color gives the super powers in the comics). Even on board Black Zero they had them. Evidence: Exhibit A: Kryptonians were being shot by Lois (with the same gun that killed a council member earlier) and hit hard by doors, yet they were fine later.

The Armor: The armor limits little, if any exposure to solar radiation. It's the mask that is the key to them being limited. The mask keeps them breathing an artificial version of native Kryptonian atmosphere, which is "less nourishing" than Earth's. Essentially: Krypton's harsh air inhibits super powers, whereas Earth's nurtures them. Evidence: Exhibit A: Kal-EL being weaker/completely depowered around kryptonian atmosphere, because he wasn't used to it. Exhibit B: Zod's initial exposure to our atmosphere left him overwhelmed by heightened senses that seemed to be activating on their own. It is easier to go from Krypton to Earth than vice versa. The native Kryptonians were not inhibited by their atmosphere simply because they had adapted to it. When Zod discarded his mask and mentally managed his exposure to our atmosphere, our air immediately began to nurture two underdeveloped abilities: heat vision and flight.

Kal-El's prolonged exposure: It is true that Kal was absorbing solar radiation for longer than the others, and it is likely due to that that he possesses such a physique despite likely doing no exercise or pushing himself, and his ability to fight them despite being untrained (he was more familiar his abilities). However, it is flawed to think that longer exposure automatically = more power. A Kryptonian's body, as I understand it, is like a solar battery. After a while a battery simply cannot be safely charged any further (sans sun-dipping, which we don't even know if MoS Kal is capable of yet). Zod's soldiers were within Earth's orbit for at least 20 hours before Faora took custody of Kal. They were being charged this entire time. It is reasonable to assume they were approaching Kal's level of pound-for-pound strength and speed this entire time, even under their atmosphere.

Point is... the suits and masks were liming their exposure to earth benefits and yet they were still able to keep up with superman who had been absorbing them since a young child.

Jor-El goes out of his way to say that the PROLONGED exposure has benefited Kal and he'd become stronger than he could ever imagine. He even says the YEARS. So yes, prolonged exposure has benefited him

I don't remember Jor-El saying anything like that. All he said was "Earth's sun is much younger, your cells have have drunken it's radiation" or something like that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point is... the suits and masks were liming their exposure to earth benefits and yet they were still able to keep up with superman who had been absorbing them since a young child.

Jor-El goes out of his way to say that the PROLONGED exposure has benefited Kal and he'd become stronger than he could ever imagine. He even says the YEARS. So yes, prolonged exposure has benefited him

He never said that. Quit lying..

Lines from the film:

"Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet its atmosphere is more nourishing. You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong, is to keep testing your limits." - Jor-El MoS

Thor and Hulk seemed pretty damn close, Kurse is definitely above both of them, and Superman is the strongest.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lines from the film:

"Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet its atmosphere is more nourishing. You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong, is to keep testing your limits." - Jor-El MoS

KT likes to lie and misrepresent characters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k

He says he's grown stronger than he ever could've imagined. He mentions his cells drinking the sun's radiation. He doesn't say years, but we know he's been here for years.. so that is undoubtedly true.

And despite having 33 years of exposure, he only learned to fly/full potential a couple days before Zod.

So in MoS, it has more to do with learning how to master the energy/powers than it has time exposed (which the suits do nothing to stop YSR exposure). Zod pretty much confirms just this when he monologues:

"I was bred to be a warrior, Kal. Trained my entire life to master my senses. Where did you train? ON A FARM?" -Zod

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k

He says he's grown stronger than he ever could've imagined. He mentions his cells drinking the sun's radiation. He doesn't say years, but we know he's been here for years.. so that is undoubtedly true.

So he didn't say which you claim. And your assuming something that he never said..

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So he didn't say which you claim. And your assuming something that he never said..

Ummm he said exactly what I said... the stronger than I could've possible imagined... etc etc.. He just didn't say years... He doesn't have 2... he's been there for years.. that's a given

Originally posted by Robtard
And despite having 33 years of exposure, he only learned to fly/full potential a couple days before Zod.

So in MoS, it has more to do with learning how to master the energy/powers than it has time exposed (which the suits do nothing to stop YSR exposure). Zod pretty much confirms just this when he monologues:

"I was bred to be a warrior, Kal. Trained my entire life to master my senses. Where did you train? ON A FARM?" -Zod

The suits and mask had EVERYTHING to do with stopping exposure. Like the post on the top of the page illustrates. The suits and masks were preventing exposure. The director went out of his way to illustrate this point and showing Zod and Faora exposed and what that looked like for the first time. He oouldn't have been more clear. Just like he was clear when Zod learned he could do something new... i.e. HV vision and flying. All the stuff prior... speed... strength.. jumping were not shown to be a surprise in anyway. They were a given.. they were expected once they were removed from an environment making them weaker. Once you're removed from an environment constantly making you weaker... you get stronger... common sense and logic dictates that.