Originally posted by Stoic
Kronos gave Drax power over Thanos. He physically weakens him. This has always been the reason why Drax could do so well against Thanos. It's like Superman vs The Kryptonite Man, or Hulk vs Rulk. Not sure about the Hulk/Rulk latest fight.
I know what Krono did. He gave Drax the power to kill Thanos. I want to see proof that Drax presence weakens Thanos.
Originally posted by StoicNo where in comics does it state that Thanos is weak to Drax because of his genetic makeup (like kryptonite). In his conception, they had Drax destroying planets and ripping cores out of stars as to show why he can possibly beat Thanos (because of his power levels were sufficient). This was the writer's intentions. Drax ripped Thanos heart out because he had the power and strength to, not because he somehow weakens Thanos when he is in his vicinity.
Drax has power over Thanos' genetic makeup this does not count. He isn't as strong as she is in his current form, but this can change once he is killed, and revived again. For now she's actually his superior, just look at how she over powered Ronan, and threw him at leat 80 meters away. Also; why do you think Thanos said he hated Drax so much? Drax is Kronos' meat puppet, or at least he was, the full story has yet to be revealed, but Drax may be relieved of being Thanos' hound soon.
Anyway Drax wins this. Gamora is more skilled but Drax is significantly stronger and will land a counter or crumple eventually.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think Drax > Gams in the physical department.Gams probably more skilled and has a healing factor.
Where are you getting this from? Just curious? I hope it's not his fight with Thanos? Drax weakens Thanos which is a known fact. Those scans that Carver placed up have context to them. It was Drax's best and only good showing to date in this particular form.
Originally posted by Stoic
\She grabbed him and threw him away, she then jumped on him while he was still trying to get it together. It takes power to do that. Amadeus Cho hit the Hulk in what was supposed to be a weak spot with a lead pipe, and the Hulk asked him what he was trying to do. It still takes a degree of strength because without PIS Karnak isn't Kayoing the Hulk with skill alone.
Still you didn't answer my questions. If Drax was not weakening Thanos, this would mean that he would beat the hell out of Beta Ray Bill, and it would also apply to Thor, and the Surfer, but we turn around, and see that he was unable to harm Gladiator in their recent battle. What should I believe? Should I believe that Thanos was hurt by a guy that could not hurt Gladiator with his best punch, but can hurt Thanos after knowing that Thanos was taking shots from Thor with the Power Gem, beat Beta Ray Bill like a 1st class wimp, and put the Surfer into a coma with less than 7 punches... What should I believe?
Wait, how strong do you think ronan is? Also, her tossing Ronan isn't overpowering him. Spiderman has tossed an amped Hulk. Doesn't mean they are similar in power. Cap on panel has admitted he stands no chance against Hulk but seconds later, toss him out of the door. That's skill.
Drax did hurt Glads though and you naming all of Thanos high ends doesn't mean Drax can't hurt him. In the character ownage thread, didn't you say we should look at average instead of focusing on high showings?
Originally posted by carver9
I know what Krono did. He gave Drax the power to kill Thanos. I want to see proof that Drax presence weakens Thanos.
Okay if Kronos gave Drax the power to kill Thanos, but then we turn around and see that Thor, or the Surfer, even Nova Prime could beat the life out of Drax what does this mean? Thanos beat the crap out of Beta Ray Bill, but then is challeneged by Drax who got trashed by Nova Prime. The She Hulk was beating the crap out a more powerful Drax than the present Drax. What would you call this?
Originally posted by h1a8
No where in comics does it state that Thanos is weak to Drax because of his genetic makeup (like kryptonite). In his conception, they had Drax destroying planets and ripping cores out of stars as to show why he can possibly beat Thanos (because of his power levels were sufficient). This was the writer's intentions. Drax ripped Thanos heart out because he had the power and strength to, not because he somehow weakens Thanos when he is in his vicinity.Anyway Drax wins this. Gamora is more skilled but Drax is significantly stronger and will land a counter or crumple eventually.
You're lost in a dream.
Originally posted by Stoictbh I don't why you're explaining to the 2 trolls.
Thank you. Finally someone who knows the deal.
In that very comic it shows Drax starting to glow and develop some sort of claws to easily tear through Thanos sheilds, he got through them easier than champ did with the power gem
Originally posted by carver9
Wait, how strong do you think ronan is? Also, her tossing Ronan isn't overpowering him. Spiderman has tossed an amped Hulk. Doesn't mean they are similar in power. Cap on panel has admitted he stands no chance against Hulk but seconds later, toss him out of the door. That's skill.Drax did hurt Glads though and you naming all of Thanos high ends doesn't mean Drax can't hurt him. In the character ownage thread, didn't you say we should look at average instead of focusing on high showings?
What is Thanos' averages though? Tanking a star blowing up in his face? surviving a super black hole? Taking hits to the face by Power Gem Thor? Beating the hell out of Beta Ray Bill? Crushing the Surfer with less than 7 punches? Taking hell from Odin? Taking hell from Tyrant? One shot slapping the mess out of Captain Mar-Vell, mocking Lord Mar-Vell? Which one?
Originally posted by Insane Titan
tbh I don't why you're explaining to the 2 trolls.In that very comic it shows Drax starting to glow and develop some sort of claws to easily tear through Thanos sheilds, he got through them easier than champ did with the power gem
You mean when his hands begin glowing, and he punches through flesh capable of taking hits from Odin right? It's odd how this type of thing can be missed.
Originally posted by Stoic
Okay if Kronos gave Drax the power to kill Thanos, but then we turn around and see that Thor, or the Surfer, even Nova Prime could beat the life out of Drax what does this mean? Thanos beat the crap out of Beta Ray Bill, but then is challeneged by Drax who got trashed by Nova Prime. The She Hulk was beating the crap out a more powerful Drax than the present Drax. What would you call this?You're lost in a dream.
I don't think Thanos no sell powerful attacks, at all and I'm not ignoring on panel proof either. I know of Thanos fts...he Is powerful, the bread and butter of trans tiers but he has been affect by Herald level attacks just like every other trans tier has.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't think Thanos no sell powerful attacks, at all and I'm not ignoring on panel proof either. I know of Thanos fts...he Is powerful, the bread and butter of trans tiers but he has been affect by Herald level attacks just like every other trans tier has.
Yes but Drax is a special class of threat to Thanos, and Thanos alone. Wolverine has hurt Gladiator, but he wouldn't be able to win even one. Drax would never beat the Surfer, Thor, or even Nova Prime as was seen when Richard pretty much beat him uncontested. If we take Drax's showings against Thanos at face value, he would beat the Surfer, Thor, and Beta Ray Bill convincingly. He weakens Thanos. This was seen in Annihilation like Insane Titan mentioned. Thanos did say that he was in a weakened condition, but you can still see the aura that Drax was giving off, which weakened Thanos to the point that he tore through his body like tissue paper. Just think about it. Thanos was not in a weakened state in those scans that you presented. He even goes on to defeat the Cancerverse Avengers which included Lord Mar-Vell. Lord Mar-Vell was able to over power the Surfer, Nova, and Quasar, while Thanos toyed with him.
If this isn't enough to convince you. When Thanos was not weakened he took on Tyrant, Odin, and like I said Power Gem Thor. Drax on the other hand was being over powered by She Hulk, and he was more powerful in that body than he is now. He had flight, and power blasts. I admit that there are some inconsistencies to Drax's past. He was able to destroy a star, but was getting beaten by She Hulk, but even then he wasn't quite as powerful as Thor. Now he's even less so.
This really depends on how you want to see things, but hopefully you will make odds or ends of his actual power levels presently. He's probably a class 50, with the ability to affect Thanos like no other, due to the power that Kronos gave him over Thanos. I'm about to check out the Gamora/Angela battle, but from what I recall, Drax was pretty much useless in that fight.
I know of Thanos fts but again, I also know of r he things that has affected him. Why are you bringing up Drax showings like he is weak? The same Drax that fought Thanos early on clashed is to Thanos arena wrecked an entire planet. This same Drax ripped the core of a Star out. During that time, he was an elite physically. Then you are getting your Drax mixed up. The one that fought She Hulk was Smart Drax.
Like no other? Nova Prime attacks was affecting thanos as well. Hell, he stunned Thanos with a blast in the same issue.
Originally posted by carver9
I know of Thanos fts but again, I also know of r he things that has affected him. Why are you bringing up Drax showings like he is weak? The same Drax that fought Thanos early on clashed is to Thanos arena wrecked an entire planet. This same Drax ripped the core of a Star out. During that time, he was an elite physically. Then you are getting your Drax mixed up. The one that fought She Hulk was Smart Drax.Like no other? Nova Prime attacks was affecting thanos as well. Hell, he stunned Thanos with a blast in the same issue.
1. When Drax was in the Cancerverse he could not fly, and did not have power blasts. This was the same Drax that fought in the Annihilation, who was also less powerful than he was in his first incarnation. This version of Drax is the weakest Destroyer ever. The artist got their themes wrong, and may have wanted to go with the old look. However chronologically speaking, that Drax that fought Thanos in the Cancerverse was the very same incarnation as the one from Annihilation.
2. I do not think that Drax is weak, but he isn't an elite in terms of strength. He was unable to KO Angela with a sneak attack, and she made him pay for it when he approached her while she was playing possum. She kicked him in the face, and elbowed him. An elite would have KO'd Angela with a sneak attack.
3. Drax was toyed with by Nova Prime. Richard was powerful, but not on the Surfer, Bill, or Thor's level of powerful.
4. Thanos had just been loosened up by several blasts from a Cosmic Cube unit. At that point anything could have hurt him.
5. It was pretty clear to me that Gamora had the upper hand when she fought Ronan. Ronan is the same guy that went toe to toe with a full powered Ravenous. Ravenous at that time was able to contend with the Surfer.
6. Back to the part that you think that I am saying that Drax is weak. I am not, he's roughly a class 50 these days, with the ability to damage Thanos like no other can, due to the power that Kronos gave him over Thanos. Like I said, Thanos was hit by a CCU, and was naturally hurt by it. Nova Prime blasted Thanos while he was not under optimal status. Or should I believe that Richard can blast with more power than the Surfer?
Originally posted by h1a8
No where in comics does it state that Thanos is weak to Drax because of his genetic makeup (like kryptonite). In his conception, they had Drax destroying planets and ripping cores out of stars as to show why he can possibly beat Thanos (because of his power levels were sufficient). This was the writer's intentions. Drax ripped Thanos heart out because he had the power and strength to, not because he somehow weakens Thanos when he is in his vicinity.Anyway Drax wins this. Gamora is more skilled but Drax is significantly stronger and will land a counter or crumple eventually.
Lmao no. Reread annihilation.
Originally posted by Stoicjust to point out on carvers bullshit , Novas blast had no effect untill after he was blasted by the cosmic cube.
1. When Drax was in the Cancerverse he could not fly, and did not have power blasts. This was the same Drax that fought in the Annihilation, who was also less powerful than he was in his first incarnation. This version of Drax is the weakest Destroyer ever. The artist got their themes wrong, and may have wanted to go with the old look. However chronologically speaking, that Drax that fought Thanos in the Cancerverse was the very same incarnation as the one from Annihilation.2. I do not think that Drax is weak, but he isn't an elite in terms of strength. He was unable to KO Angela with a sneak attack, and she made him pay for it when he approached her while she was playing possum. She kicked him in the face, and elbowed him. An elite would have KO'd Angela with a sneak attack.
3. Drax was toyed with by Nova Prime. Richard was powerful, but not on the Surfer, Bill, or Thor's level of powerful.
4. Thanos had just been loosened up by several blasts from a Cosmic Cube unit. At that point anything could have hurt him.
5. It was pretty clear to me that Gamora had the upper hand when she Ronan. Ronan is the same guy that went toe to toe with a full powered Ravenous. Ravenous at that time was able to contend with the Surfer.
6. Back to the part that you think that I am saying that Drax is weak. I am not, he's roughly a class 50 these days, with the ability to damage Thanos like no other can, due to the power that Kronos gave him over Thanos. Like I said, Thanos was hit by a CCU, and was naturally hurt by it. Nova Prime blasted Thanos while he was not under optimal status. Or should I believe that Richard can blast with more power than the Surfer?
Before the blast off the cube Thanos blocked Novas blast with one hand.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lmao no. Reread annihilation.
Yep.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
just to point out on carvers bullshit , Novas blast had no effect untill after he was blasted by the cosmic cube.Before the blast off the cube Thanos blocked Novas blast with one hand.
Yeah I know. Thanos is a guy that can smile as the Surfer blasts him at full power. He honestly looked like he was taking a shower. I tell ya, something's up with that Drax guy, and we both know what it is LOL.
