Gamora vs Drax

Stoics comments are so unintentionally comical, Drax was made engineered to hurt thanos, which is why he is such a powerful being. Read some classic drax. Not once has it been stated that drax has any effect on thanos that he would not have on any other being of thanos's power level. The only time was during annihilation.....

I love how vigorously you argue a wrong point, makes me laugh.

Also, how do shields have to do with thanos? Just because the shields are on thanos does not mean they are thanos so drax should not have any special effect on them other then what he could do in any other situation.

Originally posted by thingy150
First of all like he said, you completely misunderstood his comment. This comment does nothing to prove your stance on gamora being stronger then drax when she has never been shown to be. Your lack of logic and lack of proof at this point is utterly hilarious. Drax has held his own against thanos and you denying this will not stop that. A total of one time drax had an advantage due to possessing a power up he cannot and never did recreate. All of the time drax has fought thanos it has been purely off of his physical power not due to him being thanos's "kryptonite" only with the exception to annihilation.

I made a accurate comment about you not proving gamora to be stronger and you still have not, you do this and continue to do this every thread where you claim wrong things and never prove them.

Takes two people to flame war and you do this quite often, the tone of this comment directed at krisblaze proves so. You f*cked with me for being banned so I came up with a retort after this you got butthurt and reported me. You cannot try and argue and report someone, that is simply stupid, choose one or the other, you cant report and do the same thing you're reporting about.

I really dislike you, and I can't wait until you are banned again. That is my sincere thoughts about you. Actually just stop replying to me, and consider yourself on ignore. I won't be the only person to report you either. You can bet on that.

Originally posted by Stoic
I really dislike you, and I can't wait until you are banned again. That is my sincere thoughts about you. Actually just stop replying to me, and consider yourself on ignore. I won't be the only person to report you either. You can bet on that.

Very easy way to not have to reply to my counter argument.

Originally posted by Stoic
Groot hit a weakened Thanos that just woke up, It was different in the scans that Carver presented. A class 80-100 would not rock Thanos like he did if he weren't biologically engineered to hurt Thanos. Look at the hit that Thanos took to the face from Power gem Thor, or when Thanos took hits from Odin. Thanos took apart Beta Ray Bill. Bill has gone through hell and remained conscious (look at the Storm Breaker mini for example). When Drax hit Thanos when they were in the Cancerverse, Thanos was no longer in a weakened state. Being blasted several times by the CCU proves this without a doubt, and if that's not enough, he goes on to defeat the Cancerverse Avengers alone, and Lord Mar-Vell was also defeated. With the heat that Drax gave Thanos when they were in the Cancerverse, we would have to conclude that he hits harder than Thor with the Power gem, because he was reeling from Drax's assault.

So what makes since to you? We see that Drax ripped through shields that have withstood Galactus' assault, and Omega's assault, but Drax rips through them like they did not exist? But on the other hand Richard Rider was able to defeat Drax uncontested. You tell me what makes sense here when Drax was empowered by Mentor, and Kronos to defeat their son/grandson Thanos. Just let me know what makes sense to you.

This is just ABC logic run rampant and there are a lot of things you're leaving out.

You're leaving out all the other incidents where Thanos has been punched by people in similar categories.

You're leaving out that it was an injured CC that we have no way of gauging.

You're also ignoring the circumstances surrounding Thanos' fight with say PG Thor, where Thanos was more or less prepared and had his suit/personal forcefield. There's also the fact that Drax more or less punched Thanos when he wasn't ready.

You're also trying to compare Starlin's sad treatment of other characters with the treatment they receive in their own comics. So you're essentially saying that when Thanos beat BRB that was a high showing for Thanos and not a low showing for BRB, whereas Drax hitting Thanos is a low showing for Thanos and not a high one for Drax.

Furthermore you're reading faaaar too much into Thanos' expression and the way he reacted when being punched. Which means that you're not only ignoring the power-level inconsistency between writers, but you also ignore the inconsistent art. In many cases you'll see characters dying without spilling a drop or blood or cutting a sour face, but in other cases you'll see exagerrated reactions to very minor injuries. You shouldn't read more into it than the fact that Thanos was affected. Trying to use the lines on his face to judge the extent to which it affected him just clutters up the debate. This is equally ridiculous when you consider that Thanos barely made a grimace the 2-3 times that he was killed.

You also make the assumption that post-resurrection Thanos is as durable as pre-annhi Thanos and a lot of other stuff. Following your line of logic nothing short of Odin going all out would ever affect Thanos. This isn't consistent with Thanos' showings prior to or after said fight.

You yourself post the long list of characters Thanos fought and yet you feel that he was at full power when he fought GOTG? Seems unlikely 🙂

Almost positive stoic is arguing so much about thanos because he has no clue as to how he will prove gamora is drax's strength level 🙂

Originally posted by krisblaze
This is just ABC logic run rampant and there are a lot of things you're leaving out.

You're leaving out all the other incidents where Thanos has been punched by people in similar categories.

You're leaving out that it was an injured CC that we have no way of gauging.

You're also ignoring the circumstances surrounding Thanos' fight with say PG Thor, where Thanos was more or less prepared and had his suit/personal forcefield. There's also the fact that Drax more or less punched Thanos when he wasn't ready.

You're also trying to compare Starlin's sad treatment of other characters with the treatment they receive in their own comics. So you're essentially saying that when Thanos beat BRB that was a high showing for Thanos and not a low showing for BRB, whereas Drax hitting Thanos is a low showing for Thanos and not a high one for Drax.

Furthermore you're reading faaaar too much into Thanos' expression and the way he reacted when being punched. Which means that you're not only ignoring the power-level inconsistency between writers, but you also ignore the inconsistent art. In many cases you'll see characters dying without spilling a drop or blood or cutting a sour face, but in other cases you'll see exagerrated reactions to very minor injuries. You shouldn't read more into it than the fact that Thanos was affected. Trying to use the lines on his face to judge the extent to which it affected him just clutters up the debate. This is equally ridiculous when you consider that Thanos barely made a grimace the 2-3 times that he was killed.

You also make the assumption that post-resurrection Thanos is as durable as pre-annhi Thanos and a lot of other stuff. Following your line of logic nothing short of Odin going all out would ever affect Thanos. This isn't consistent with Thanos' showings prior to or after said fight.

You yourself post the long list of characters Thanos fought and yet you feel that he was at full power when he fought GOTG? Seems unlikely 🙂

1. Thanos took hits from Tyrant and Odin. Who wrote that? Was it Starlin? Odin one shot KO'd the Surfer, but was unable to put Thanos down. Who wrote that story again? Was it Starlin?

2. Thanos took an assault from Galactus. Galactus is well above Drax. was that a high showing for Thanos or a low showing for Galactus? Thanos took on Tyrant. Tyrant was playing with herald level characters that would put Drax out in seconds. Nova Prime is well below the Surfer, and Gladiator would also beat him, but we see him beat Drax with ease. If Drax was as powerful as you are pretending that he is, he wouldn't have been taken out by Nova Prime.

3. It really isn't ABC logic when you consider that Thor recently hit Thanos in the head with Mjolnir, and it didn't even stun him. This is when the Avengers fought the Cabal. Did you miss that part? Was Thor jobbing there? Evidence would suggest not when you take all of Thanos' showings against others into consideration.

4. The CCu was more powerful than first thought or it would have been out of power after the first shot that Thanos took. We see that Thanos took more than two shots from it. I really hope that you aren't claiming that the CCU hits with less force than a Herald. When Thanos took a full blast to the face from Surfer, and smiled it off just before putting him into a coma.

5. If Drax was as strong as you say he is, he should have KO'd Angela when he launched his sneak attack against her. He hit here solidly in the face, and this did not keep her down. This is a another clear sign that he is not as strong as you think that he is. On the other hand, Gamora was hurting the infantile version of Drax, who was vastly more powerful than he is in his current state. The She Hulk was overpowering Drax in his original form, who was also more powerful than he is today, and that story is canon. I am referring to when the Avengers fought against the undead heroes, and She Hulk was over powering Drax. Drax in those days was given a handbook entry of class 50, and like I said, he was more powerful then than he is today.

^^everyone ignore the overly long redundant post above because it has nothing to do with this thread and it does not further stoics original argument that gamora is stronger then drax.

Originally posted by Stoic
1. Thanos took hits from Tyrant and Odin. Who wrote that? Was it Starlin? Odin one shot KO'd the Surfer, but was unable to put Thanos down. Who wrote that story again? Was it Starlin?

1 - These are mutually exclusive? No, they are not. It's entirely possible to take hits from Odin and Tyrant and be affected by hits from Drax. You could say the same about Thor taking hits from Celestials and Galactys, yet being affected by Sif or Volstagg.

2 - Unable to put down Thanos? I recall Thanos being on his knees at one point.

3 - This is not related to other characters being weaker under Starlin.

Originally posted by Stoic
2. Thanos took an assault from Galactus. Galactus is well above Drax. was that a high showing for Thanos or a low showing for Galactus? Thanos took on Tyrant. Tyrant was playing with herald level characters that would put Drax out in seconds. Nova Prime is well below the Surfer, and Gladiator would also beat him, but we see him beat Drax with ease. If Drax was as powerful as you are pretending that he is, he wouldn't have been taken out by Nova Prime.

1 - Galactus is well above Drax. That's probably why Galactus' one attack did more than the combined attack of Drax and the other GOTG.

2 - Thanos also knew that Galactus was going to attack him and prepared his forcefields. He didn't prepare those forcefields against Drax and GOTG.

3 - Tyrant was beating the heralds, but he was not playing with them. They were also being weakened AND half of them were fighting Tyrant's robots.

4 - Thanos was significantly more hurt by Tyrant's attacks then he was by Drax's attacks. So this doesn't really help your case.

5 - Sure he should've. It's entirely possible for Drax to be able to punch Thanos once in the face and be taken out by Nova Prime. Being taken out by Nova Prime and being able to hit Thanos have very little to do with eachother. Maybe your arguments would've made more sense if I had claimed that Drax fought Thanos evenly 1v1? As opposed to just punching him.

Originally posted by Stoic
3. It really isn't ABC logic when you consider that Thor recently hit Thanos in the head with Mjolnir, and it didn't even stun him. This is when the Avengers fought the Cabal. Did you miss that part? Was Thor jobbing there? Evidence would suggest not when you take all of Thanos' showings against others into consideration.

2 - It didn't stun him but it clearly affected him. Like I mentioned earlier you're reading too much into art rendition. Thanos reacted more to Thor and Drax's hits then he did when Drax initially killed him. He also reacted far more to Black Bolt's attack then he did to Odin, Tyrant or Galactus' attack. Which points out how flawed this "art only" interpretation is.

3 - Evidence would suggest that comics are inconsistent and that tanking a hit from Thor does not exclude you from being punched by Drax.

Originally posted by Stoic
4. The CCu was more powerful than first thought or it would have been out of power after the first shot that Thanos took. We see that Thanos took more than two shots from it. I really hope that you aren't claiming that the CCU hits with less force than a Herald. When Thanos took a full blast to the face from Surfer, and smiled it off just before putting him into a coma.

2 - Yes, Thanos was unaffected by Surfer's best shot, yet he was strangely enough affected by many weaker beings than the Surfer going all out. Perhaps we should not equate this to Thanos being completely immune to any attack by high herald and down. If we do then Ganymaede, Terrax and Jack of Hearts are Trans at the very least.

Originally posted by Stoic
5. If Drax was as strong as you say he is, he should have KO'd Angela when he launched his sneak attack against her. He hit here solidly in the face, and this did not keep her down. This is a another clear sign that he is not as strong as you think that he is. On the other hand, Gamora was hurting the infantile version of Drax, who was vastly more powerful than he is in his current state. The She Hulk was overpowering Drax in his original form, who was also more powerful than he is today, and that story is canon. I am referring to when the Avengers fought against the undead heroes, and She Hulk was over powering Drax. Drax in those days was given a handbook entry of class 50, and like I said, he was more powerful then than he is today.

1 - How strong did I say that Drax was? Roughly class 80? And that a class 80 can punch Thanos? Why would a class 80 be able to drop Angela?

2 - How durable is Angela? We don't know yet. We just know that she's a shit character and that she can take hits from Thor.

3 - How does Gamora hurting dumb drax (as he is called, not infantile) exlude him from punching Thanos in the face?

4 - How does She-Hulk overpowering dumb Drax exclude current Drax from punching Thanos? How is that incident not PIS when Thanos had to exert more force to beat Drax than She-Hulk did? Either

a) She-Hulk is powerful enough to easily overpower a foe that Thanos couldn't, meaning that She-Hulk is more powerful than Thanos, or

b) She-Hulk overpowering Drax and Drax punching Thanos are not mutually exclusive.

5 - A handbook stating that Drax is class 50 means that he is class 50? Seems unlikely. Seems even more unlikely when you consider the people he has overpowered and that even when he was being depowered he was fighting the Blood Brothers, who are class 100 when close to eachother.

Maybe, just maybe, your ABC logic doesn't work as well as you would like it to.

Otherwise how can you explain She-Hulk being more powerful than Thanos? And Ganymeade being more powerful than BRB, Gladiator, Surfer, Jack of Hearts and Thanos?

Well kris won, this means stoic will not respond.....

Going with Drax on this one

Kris is the man

Originally posted by krisblaze
1 - These are mutually exclusive? No, they are not. It's entirely possible to take hits from Odin and Tyrant and be affected by hits from Drax. You could say the same about Thor taking hits from Celestials and Galactys, yet being affected by Sif or Volstagg.

2 - Unable to put down Thanos? I recall Thanos being on his knees at one point.

3 - This is not related to other characters being weaker under Starlin.

1 - Galactus is well above Drax. That's probably why Galactus' one attack did more than the combined attack of Drax and the other GOTG.

2 - Thanos also knew that Galactus was going to attack him and prepared his forcefields. He didn't prepare those forcefields against Drax and GOTG.

3 - Tyrant was beating the heralds, but he was not playing with them. They were also being weakened AND half of them were fighting Tyrant's robots.

4 - Thanos was significantly more hurt by Tyrant's attacks then he was by Drax's attacks. So this doesn't really help your case.

5 - Sure he should've. It's entirely possible for Drax to be able to punch Thanos once in the face and be taken out by Nova Prime. Being taken out by Nova Prime and being able to hit Thanos have very little to do with eachother. Maybe your arguments would've made more sense if I had claimed that Drax fought Thanos evenly 1v1? As opposed to just punching him.

1 - It is ABC logic because you're claiming that since character A = B then he is clearly not = Character C.

2 - It didn't stun him but it clearly affected him. Like I mentioned earlier you're reading too much into art rendition. Thanos reacted more to Thor and Drax's hits then he did when Drax initially killed him. He also reacted far more to Black Bolt's attack then he did to Odin, Tyrant or Galactus' attack. Which points out how flawed this "art only" interpretation is.

3 - Evidence would suggest that comics are inconsistent and that tanking a hit from Thor does not exclude you from being punched by Drax.

1 - The CC lasting more than 1 attack does not indicate that it was more powerful than "first thought". Nor does that mean much since it was just a brief estimate by Starlord. Does he possess any kind of cosmic awareness or innate knowledge of cosmic cubes, energy, power levels or anything of the kind? No he does not.

2 - Yes, Thanos was unaffected by Surfer's best shot, yet he was strangely enough affected by many weaker beings than the Surfer going all out. Perhaps we should not equate this to Thanos being completely immune to any attack by high herald and down. If we do then Ganymaede, Terrax and Jack of Hearts are Trans at the very least.

1 - How strong did I say that Drax was? Roughly class 80? And that a class 80 can punch Thanos? Why would a class 80 be able to drop Angela?

2 - How durable is Angela? We don't know yet. We just know that she's a shit character and that she can take hits from Thor.

3 - How does Gamora hurting dumb drax (as he is called, not infantile) exlude him from punching Thanos in the face?

4 - How does She-Hulk overpowering dumb Drax exclude current Drax from punching Thanos? How is that incident not PIS when Thanos had to exert more force to beat Drax than She-Hulk did? Either

a) She-Hulk is powerful enough to easily overpower a foe that Thanos couldn't, meaning that She-Hulk is more powerful than Thanos, or

b) She-Hulk overpowering Drax and Drax punching Thanos are not mutually exclusive.

5 - A handbook stating that Drax is class 50 means that he is class 50? Seems unlikely. Seems even more unlikely when you consider the people he has overpowered and that even when he was being depowered he was fighting the Blood Brothers, who are class 100 when close to eachother.

Maybe, just maybe, your ABC logic doesn't work as well as you would like it to.

Otherwise how can you explain She-Hulk being more powerful than Thanos? And Ganymeade being more powerful than BRB, Gladiator, Surfer, Jack of Hearts and Thanos?

1.Galactus would naturally be able to output more power than Drax, but if Thanos was able to survive Galactus' assault, a character of Drax's power should go nearly unnoticed. It didn't because Drax has power over Thanos like he always had.

2. Thanos did not react more to Thor's hit in the head than he did to Drax's hit. Way to call the kettle black, while being the pot Kris, or what are you basing your opinion on? Could it also be artistic renditions?

3. Thanos under optimal conditions has tanked more than what Drax is capable of, or a character of Drax's strength is capable of dealing out. This clearly shows you the obvious answer that you are trying your best to ignore. Drax has power over Thanos, he has always had power over him.
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1. Correct, but then Thanos knocks Galactus a couple miles away. This is not something that Drax can do.

2. Thanos may not have had that particular tech with him when he fought the GOTG. He was just revived.

3. Ganymede was the only one to hurt Tyrant, and that was because her staff was specifically made to hurt him. All of the Spinsters had them. No other character was capable of hurting Tyrant. He was playing with them, and was not out to kill them because he was going to use them to power his vessel.

4. Of course it helps my case. Tyrant was vastly more powerful than Drax, or another character of Drax's current strength level. If thanos was able to take an assault from Tyrant, Drax, or a character of his current level would have been a push over. Tyrant is a Galactus level threat. Are you kidding me right now?

5. Drax was fighting Thanos evenly, and even managed to hurt him. Another character on Drax's level would not be able to do that. Thor with Mjolnir was barely able to open Thanos up. Drax was punching the blood out of his mouth. Again you must be kidding with that mess?
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1. No it is not ABC logic. Drax or a character of his power level simply do not possess the punching power to do that to Thanos, unless they have power over him which was seen during Annihilation. Not once was it ever stated that Drax somehow lost that power. Drax is currently the very same incarnation that pulled Thanos' heart out and ripped through shields capable of withstanding an assault from Galactus during Annihilation.

2. If I'm reading into the art rendition, what exactly are you doing? Thor was unable to hurt Thanos like Drax was. Drax actually opened Thanos up, and sent him reeling backwards. Is Drax now stronger than Thor, and does he hit harder than Thor does with Mjolnir? Thor wasn't playing around, he was aiming for the back of Thanos' head with that hit.

3. On average Thanos' durability feats are measure up, except for when he has run ins with Drax. Do you know why that is? Drax was made to destroy Thanos. I know that this is something that i don't have to prove to you, unless you want to play dumb, or genuinely aren't aware of this fact. This is the very same incarnation of Drax, that pulled Thanos' heart out during Annihilation. He showed that he weakens Thanos' very genetic makeup just being around him.

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1. It was stated during the Cancerverse arc just after Thanos revived, that the CCU was nearly depleted, but then we see it fired off more times that it was stated to be capable of. It also clearly hit with more force than a top level herald, or was it my imagination when Thanos sat smiling at the Surfer when he blasted him in the face?

2. Perhaps the CCU had something to do with Thanos being hurt by weaker characters. however Drax hurt him again after he came back to life in a universe that Death has no power.

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1. You said that Drax was roughly a class 80-100. This goes against everything, and anything that he has done in his current form. In his original for, he was more powerful than he is currently. He could fly, and use power blasts. In his INFANTILE form which I prefer instead of calling him dumb, he was vastly more powerful than he is in his current form.

2. In her battle with the GOTG, we get a rough idea as to just how tough Angela actually is. She was tough enough to take a blast that went right through her, but got fried by an electrical attack. She was also beaten by Thor, and pushed by Gamora. Drax however was incapable of Kayoing her with a sneak attack. Sneak attacks hurt more than regular ones because the recipient has no time to brace themselves. Drax was unable to even KO her. This shows his strength class to be below someone of Thor's range. Again Thor was unable to even stun Thanos with a Mjolnir shot to the head. He moved him, but he did no damage.

3. How does Gamora hurting the infantile version of Drax translate? Well it takes strength to hurt a character of his durability which was shown several times during his short run. Drax was vastly more powerful then, than he is now.

4. Because Drax weakens Thanos.

A) No Drax was given power to face thanos because he is a unique being made for the sole purpose of destroying Thanos. The same can not be said of any other character in concerns to Drax.

B) She Hulk would break her hand on a guy that can take a hit to the head from Thor without taking any lasting damage. look at how she nearly broke her hand against the Infantile version of Drax.

5. It seems that the writer who wrote the confrontation between Drax and the She Hulk used that very same handbook to give She Hulk the strength advantage in that particular portrayal.

Or, maybe just maybe you aren't looking at all of the angles, Or you refuse to acknowledge that my reasoning is very logical, but you have refused to believe based on it possibly throwing a wrench into your denial that Drax actually was made to destroy Thanos, which is and always was written on panel.

Otherwise Drax has a unique affect on Thanos that no other character in creation does, which is written on panel when he was made, and the purpose of making him.

^^ did not read but I am positive it has nothing to do with the thread or the original claim that gamora is stronger then drax....

Originally posted by krisblaze
Drax' unique ability to counter Thanos hasn't lingered since Annihilation. This should be common knowledge by now.

I don't see how anyone would try to write off Drax punching Thanos in the face as him being Thanos' "Kryptonite". Is Groot also Thanos' Kryptonite then?

With the exception of Drax pulling out Thanos' heart and pulling apart his forcefield, his feats against Thanos have all been legit and within the reasonable capabilities of someone who's around class 80-100.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Groot did nothing to Thanos. All he did was hit a weak thsnos with no effect and then get knocked out.

Reread the exchange between me and Stoic.

Thank you stopping by to post about Thanos.

It's seems people did not read the prelude to Annhilation were Drax dies a couple if times and goes through several incarnation changes.

It's clear what the writer was trying to show

Originally posted by Insane Titan
It's seems people did not read the prelude to Annhilation were Drax dies a couple if times and goes through several incarnation changes.

It's clear what the writer was trying to show

Yup yup, I love how he argues so vigorously, pretty sure it was to distract us from the fact he could not prove gamora is stronger physically than drax.....

Originally posted by krisblaze
You did not understand.

Reread the exchange between me and Stoic.

Thank you stopping by to post about Thanos.

I read what you said like you're totally trying to dismiss what he said.

Even Giffen the writer said the Drax he wrote negated Thanos powers.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
don't be a cocky little shit.

I read what you said like you're totally trying to dismiss what he said.

Even Giffen the writer said the Drax he wrote negated Thanos powers.

How many times do you think drax has negated thanos's powers tho? I assume the majority is that drax does not have an advantage in negating thanos's power.....

Wait a minute i'm doing it too, everyone lets get back to the thread at hand which is gamora vs drax. Why do threads on this site constantly get derailed?