Originally posted by QuincyHe does. I would say it is an great point.
Megs has a decent point
Originally posted by ArtificialGlorySo in short you don't have any. You just think because of that they should be. Got it.
Statistics? Seriously? 9/11 alone would be enough to put Islam on the top of the list of terrorist acts for half a decade.
Originally posted by Newjak
He does. I would say it is an great point.So in short you don't have any. You just think because of that they should be. Got it.
3000 people died in an Islamist attack on 9/11. Now go and find me some statistics of Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, whatever terrorists that can even remotely match that. Hell, make it over a period of 5 years just to make it easier. Go on, chop chop.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
India is a poor country. How many Hindu terrorists do you see flying planes into buildings?
I'm not going to further devolve this thread into a discussion about religion. Bump a thread about India and terrorism if you want to and we can have that discussion over there.
Originally posted by ArtificialGloryIn Northern Ireland's conflict alone over 3,000 people have died. Now that has been since 1969 but it is still ongoing.
3000 people died in an Islamist attack on 9/11. Now go and find me some statistics of Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, whatever terrorists that can even remotely match that. Hell, make it over a period of 5 years just to make it easier. Go on, chop chop.
More terrorism attacks in the US have happened by self-proclaimed Christians than Muslims. You are more likely to be killed by a self labeled Christian in the US than any other religious demographic.
Now the whole notion of terrorism itself is odd to me. For instance what makes something terrorism compared to a school shooting, or someone shooting people from a guard tower?
Originally posted by Newjak
In Northern Ireland's conflict alone over 3,000 people have died. Now that has been since 1969 but it is still ongoing.More terrorism attacks in the US have happened by self-proclaimed Christians than Muslims. You are more likely to be killed by a self labeled Christian in the US than any other religious demographic.
Now the whole notion of terrorism itself is odd to me. For instance what makes something terrorism compared to a school shooting, or someone shooting people from a guard tower?
Well, I said over 5 years, not 45 years, but it's still a good illustration. What Christian terrorists do over 45 years, Islamic terrorists can do in a day.
I think that has something to do with the fact that 78.5% of Americans are Christian while only 0.6% are Muslim.
What makes someone a terrorist is in whose name they perpetrate an attack. If the stated purpose of the attack is Islamic(Allah, Muhammed, some theocratic Caliphate, etc.), then it's an Islamic terrorist attack. The same thing apples to Christian terrorism, just replace Allah, etc. with Jesus, the Bible or whatever.
EDIT: Mind you, if someone just goes batshit crazy and kills a bunch of people, then that can still be called terrorism, but what I am talking about specifically is religious terrorism.
Oh, and for those who desperately want statistics: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-30080914 Enjooooooy.
Originally posted by ArtificialGloryI'm not quite sure what your statement is supposed to convey. Are you trying to say Islamic terrorists are more competent then Christian ones?
Well, I said over 5 years, not 45 years, but it's still a good illustration. What Christian terrorists do over 45 years, Islamic terrorists can do in a day.I think that has something to do with the fact that 78.5% of Americans are Christian while only 0.6% are Muslim.
What makes someone a terrorist is in whose name they perpetrate an attack. If the stated purpose of the attack is Islamic(Allah, Muhammed, some theocratic Caliphate, etc.), then it's an Islamic terrorist attack. The same thing apples to Christian terrorism, just replace Allah, etc. with Jesus, the Bible or whatever.
EDIT: Mind you, if someone just goes batshit crazy and kills a bunch of people, then that can still be called terrorism, but what I am talking about specifically is religious terrorism.
Because any Christian terrorist group could have done the same thing. It's not like the Islamic group that did 9/11 was special. I mean the second largest terrorist attack on US soil was the Oklahoma City Bombing. Does that mean that Christianity auto defaults as the second place winner?
Everything you described just sounds killers to me. I'm still not sure what the difference is other than you think they have to believe in something which is still just weird to me.
Originally posted by ArtificialGloryWhere is the similar chart for Christian terrorism attacks? Is it more likely Christian terrorism attacks are less likely to be classified as such?
Oh, and for those who desperately want statistics: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-30080914 Enjooooooy.
EDIT: here I can post a link as well http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/in-tragic-twist-anti-balaka-christian-terror-groups-attack-african-muslims-9691/
Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not quite sure what your statement is supposed to convey. Are you trying to say Islamic terrorists are more competent then Christian ones?Because any Christian terrorist group could have done the same thing. It's not like the Islamic group that did 9/11 was special. I mean the second largest terrorist attack on US soil was the Oklahoma City Bombing. Does that mean that Christianity auto defaults as the second place winner?
Everything you described just sounds killers to me. I'm still not sure what the difference is other than you think they have to believe in something which is still just weird to me.
Not necessarily. There's just far, far, FAR more of them and they're orders of magnitude more bloodthirsty and determined.
Could have. All of the thousands of deadly Islamist attacks that followed and preceded 9/11 also could have been Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, etc... but they weren't. Starting to see a pattern?
Christianity probably is the second place winner, it's just that Islam is leading by a country mile.
The difference is motive. I guess that we could pretend that all killings are the same, regardless of what motivated the killers, but I think we'd be burying our heads in the sand.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The difference is motive. I guess that we could pretend that all killings are the same, regardless of what motivated the killers, but I think we'd be burying our heads in the sand.
Yes, just like we could duly pretend this is about religion, when it's clearly about politics and the current state of unease between moderate islam populations and Europe.
Originally posted by Newjak
Where is the similar chart for Christian terrorism attacks? Is it more likely Christian terrorism attacks are less likely to be classified as such?EDIT: here I can post a link as well http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/in-tragic-twist-anti-balaka-christian-terror-groups-attack-african-muslims-9691/
I don't know, feel free to go and find one. That very well might be the case, but somehow I seriously doubt that any missing reports could even begin to bridge the gap. Is there even a Christian equivalent of ISIS or Al-Qaeda, or Taliban?
That's horrible, but that doesn't even begin to approach the magnitude of Islamic terrorism. It caused 10k people to flee? Islamists are causing millions to flee.