Originally posted by Robtard
Pointing out errors/false claims/statistics doesn't automatically mean "defending". I don't care for Islam anymore than I do any other religion.
Maybe it's my shitty mood, but to me it came across as you trying to absolve Islam and Muslims from any kind of responsibility. Now it turns out that out of those 1.6 billion Muslims roughly 800 million are cool with terrorism.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Maybe it's my shitty mood, but to me it came across as you trying to absolve Islam and Muslims from any kind of responsibility.Now it turns out that out of those 1.6 billion Muslims roughly 800 million are cool with terrorism.
I don't blame the many for the actions of the few and I certainly don't excuse the actions of these two.
Seems like a BS number on the surface and I'd be curious which specific groups of Muslims those polls asked. But you know how the saying goes, 'ones man's terrorist is another's freedom-fighter'.
Some great responses from cartoonists around the world to this slaughter by the followers of a crazed pedophile.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't blame the many for the actions of the few and I certainly don't excuse the actions of these two.Seems like a BS number on the surface and I'd be curious which specific groups of Muslims those polls asked. But you know how the saying goes, 'ones man's terrorist is another's freedom-fighter'.
Maybe you can't blame them directly, but when hundreds of millions of your comrades support this sort of thing, it sure becomes easier for the few to pull shit like this off.
I have no reason to doubt the numbers. Here's another saying: 'If fire-fighters fight fires and crime-fighters fight crime, then what do freedom-fighters fight?'
Originally posted by Robtard
Can you name a single person here who hasn't blamed the two gunmen and condemned their actions?
You want to blame individuals ok, blame them, but the religion that condones this behavior is equally to blame. I don't care how you want to peel it and serve it out as politically correct. Liberal agenda does not suit you Rob, I refuse to believe you are this blind to Islamic groups such as Al Queda, ISIS, Taliban and the many others in existence that constantly condone this behavior.
Again Lol at Bently for trying to talk about "Indian Terrosirst"
Last time I checked since when has that even come up and what does that have to do with Paris Rampage...
Pathetic
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Maybe it's my shitty mood, but to me it came across as you trying to absolve Islam and Muslims from any kind of responsibility. Now it turns out that out of those 1.6 billion Muslims roughly 800 million are cool with terrorism.
I see no problem with your mood, you on point as usual.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Maybe you can't blame them directly, but when hundreds of millions of your comrades support this sort of thing, it sure becomes easier for the few to pull shit like this off.I have no reason to doubt the numbers. Here's another saying: 'If fire-fighters fight fires and crime-fighters fight crime, then what do freedom-fighters fight?'
Possible. Lack of support doesn't stop terrorist acts though. eg McVeigh probably didn't have millions of supporters
Ahhh, freedom? George Washington was a freedom fighter.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You want to blame individuals ok, blame them, but the religion that condones this behavior is equally to blame. I don't care how you want to peel it and serve it out as politically correct. Liberal agenda does not suit you Rob, I refuse to believe you are this blind to Islamic groups such as Al Queda, ISIS, Taliban and the many others in existence that constantly condone this behavior.
I do blame them. These three gunmen are awful.
I'm not in favor of any organized religion, at least the three I'm more familiar with. eg I don't know a whole lot about Shinto, so I won't knock them just yet.
When I have denied that Al Qaeda, ISIS and the Taliban exist or are not a bunch of extremist asshates?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I refuse to believe you are this blind to Islamic groups such as Al Queda, ISIS, Taliban and the many others in existence that constantly condone this behavior
1. Many of those groups, especially ISIS are condemned by major Islamic leaders just like homosexuality is allowed by the Pope even though the Bible strictly forbids it.
2. Those groups supposedly practice a form of Islam called Salafist Jihadism, which by no means represents the entirety of the Islamic community. My dad is a Sufi Muslim and condemns Islamic terrorism.
That being stated, I do hate Islam because of it's embrace of horrific human rights atrocities without any shame. At least the Pope and many moderate Christian leaders have denounced the earlier homophobia and misogyny of the Bible and allowed it to be more subjective interpretative so nowadays it is palatable with a modernist, humanist society. With Islam, it's a whole different ball game. While I did complement leaders of the Islamic community for condemning terrorism, they are totalitarian theocrats who fully embrace misogyny on a level of sexual slavery, scientific ignorance, strict dogmas, and homophobia, and condemn those who disobey to horrible deaths such as whipping and stoning.
The only reason this is able to persist IMO is that Middle East just happens to be sitting on top of a cornucopia of fossil fuels.
America's foreign policy priorities in the Middle East are as follows:
1) Ensuring Israel is surrounded by governments that are either friendly or at least non-aggressive toward Israel.
2) Ensuring that global oil prices are not effected by political instability.
3) Protecting human rights.
The first two generally trump the third.
To gauge another topic, between this and The Interview, it is interesting to see how Free speech is being attacked recently. This reminded me of the South Park/Family Guy controversy where Muhammad's picture was eventually censored. The ability to limit free speech is the ability to promote ignorance and primitive social stagnation. What are the limits of free speech, and what must be done it protect it?
Originally posted by Robtard
Possible. Lack of support doesn't stop terrorist acts though. eg McVeigh probably didn't have millions of supportersAhhh, freedom? George Washington was a freedom fighter.
No, it doesn't, but it sure as hell helps not to have it. Speaking of McVeigh, his motives were not religious, were they?
George Washington was vindicated by history. I'm not so sure whether people who callously kill unarmed, innocent people will ever be remembered in a positive light.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Again Lol at Bently for trying to talk about "Indian Terrosirst"
It wasn't me who brought India into the mix my friend. If you also want to discuss that (it doesn't seem to be the case?) I tell you the same thing I told the person who actually brought it up: make a different thread.
Otherwise, I'd refrain to laugh at someone and hone my reading skills...
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Back ass liberal thinking.
J'ai d'autres chats a fouetter que de m'amuser avec vos antagonismes ultra-etatsuniens.
You're might be happy about your arguments, but in Europe the ones using them will be literal nazis. Blame games aren't great war stratégies. I rather have unity in my side.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialMy problem with this statement is that you think people are excusing the actions of Islamic extremists and condoning the actions of Al Queda, ISIS, Taliban.
You want to blame individuals ok, blame them, but the religion that condones this behavior is equally to blame. I don't care how you want to peel it and serve it out as politically correct. Liberal agenda does not suit you Rob, I refuse to believe you are this blind to Islamic groups such as Al Queda, ISIS, Taliban and the many others in existence that constantly condone this behavior.Again Lol at Bently for trying to talk about "Indian Terrosirst"
Last time I checked since when has that even come up and what does that have to do with Paris Rampage...
Pathetic
All most people are trying to say is look at yourself before you cast an entire stone on such a large group of people. The group of people being those who worship Islam.
Christians have Army of God, KKK, Neo-Nazis and there are Christian tyrants in places like Africa that condone groups murdering other groups based on Ethnic/Religious backgrounds.
Condone the actions of the groups but don't generalize the whole of Islam based on those groups. That kind of baseless, uneducated talk is to blame for a lot of problems between people.