TPM Sidious vs. Vitiate

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TPM Sidious vs. Vitiate

* These are: The Phantom Menace era Sidious and Revan Vitiate.

Setting: Vjun, the place where Yoda and Dooku fought.

Who wins?

Sidious can still speed blitz, and Vitiate still needs time to get his rituals going. Sidious wins.

Sidious is demonstratively superior in every regard.

Sidious didn't blitz Talzin. Vitiate takes this.

Not sure whats the difference between Novel Vitiate and SWTOR Vitiate. Same could be said for TPM Sidious and ROTS Sidious though. Leaning Vitaite due to his performance against Revan atm.

Swtor Vitiate has been continuously getting stronger since he beat Revan. To an unknown degree, but it should be noticeable imo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
To an unknown degree

Exactly.

Well 300 years worth of constant improvement should be noticeable in my books.

TPM? Bring DE.

Emperor will destroy Sidious, in a good fight by the way.

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Originally posted by Nephthys
Well 300 years worth of constant improvement should be noticeable in my books.

Constant improvement of an unknown amount with no actual showings of improvement doesn't really mean anything. You can't notice something that isn't there.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Constant improvement of an unknown amount with no actual showings of improvement doesn't really mean anything. You can't notice something that isn't there.

Emperor smoked some of the most powerful Jedi of the Order inside a space station. Improvement is apparent.

Originally posted by Sinious
Not sure whats the difference between Novel Vitiate and SWTOR Vitiate. Same could be said for TPM Sidious and ROTS Sidious though. Leaning Vitaite due to his performance against Revan atm.

TPM!Sidious has no feats to examine, though we know he's already stronger than any of Bane's order perhaps barring Plagueis himself. Given the demands and constraints of his political office and weaving a galaxywide conspiracy, I think it's safe to assume Sidious wasn't consistently training in the Sith arts at this time. Still pretty hard to quantify.

If he's around ROTS!Sidious level {and I see no reason to believe that he's not}, he should take Vitiate. Comparable command of the Force and vastly superior skill.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
TPM!Sidious has no feats to examine, though we know he's already stronger than any of Bane's order perhaps barring Plagueis himself. Given the demands and constraints of his political office and weaving a galaxywide conspiracy, I think it's safe to assume Sidious wasn't consistently training in the Sith arts at this time. Still pretty hard to quantify.

I agree that he most likely didn't have much time to train. He probably grew in power though which is what matters most against an opponent like Vitiate.


If he's around ROTS!Sidious level {and I see no reason to believe that he's not}, he should take Vitiate. Comparable command of the Force and vastly superior skill.

Do you think Vitiate is not around ROTS Sidious level?

Originally posted by Sinious
I agree that he most likely didn't have much time to train. He probably grew in power though which is what matters most against an opponent like Vitiate.

He may indeed have.

Originally posted by Sinious
Do you think Vitiate is not around ROTS Sidious level?

I do. I think he possesses comparable power, but that Sidious enjoys a tremendous skill advantage.

It's my belief that time usually leads to a natural maturation of ability, whether or not significant training takes place. Even if only on further contemplation of the Force and more time exploring your power. Besides, Sidious may not have been fencing or fighting but I doubt he sat idle. Whether he was meditating on the darkside or sharpening his abilities less overtly I find it likely he pursued methods of improvement during his Chancellorship.

Oh I'm sure he took whatever opportunities were afforded to him. I just don't think those opportunities were abundant.

He did gain some experience during TCW too.

He hasn't seemed to have problems finding time for his Sidious persona in the movies, TCW or Sithisis.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He hasn't seemed to have problems finding time for his Sidious persona in the movies, TCW or Sithisis.

Which has nothing to do with gaining power. In fact those occupations are exactly why we assume he didnt have much time to train. 😕