Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'll concede that she has a skill advantage with the relatively unpolished Savage.
I agree, but Savage is skilled enough to go toe to toe, and even defeat some of the most skilled duelist of his time. I think his physical strength and force power should more than make up for his disadvantage in skill, and give him the win.
Originally posted by TheDarthBoy
i agree with this guy besides many many SWTORetards/SWfans alike seem to forget the Satele "beat" Malgus with outside help from drum roll please *drums roll* JACE FU****** MALCOM!!!! its in the trailer black and white. Malgus practically won the lightsaber duel and could have won the overall fight but the trooper had to intervene, why do people over look that very simple detail did people just skip the part where Jace came to her aid and blew a grendae in his face............and gave satele the time she needed to "win" then clicked the play button to malgus's Defeat.
Satele did end-up disarmed by Malgus but she performed admirably against him nonetheless. However, people not just tend to overlook Satele's impressive showings in this battle but also mistakenly assume that just because Malgus succeeded at disarming her, every well-known Tom and Harry would also.
Satele is evidently on a much higher level in competence, command of the Force, and raw power aspects as of Hope then most in the mythos.
The entire cinematic is small so people have limited knowledge of developments of this battle on Aldeeran. The larger picture is that Satele and Leener arrived on Aldeeran and collectively turned the tide of this battle after inflicting heavy losses on the Sith forces with their powers and combat abilities. [Satele eventually encountered Jace Malcom and saved him from execution by eliminating 3 Sith Warriors simultaneously with a single esoteric blast of power (this feat alone demonstrates the caliber of her command of the Force and that she is a potent threat to many individuals with her esoteric powers), proceeding to cut a swath through more Sith forces before reaching the position of Malgus. During this confrontation, Satele held Malgus at bay with a single hand and knocked down a gigantic tree with a telekinetic gesture from the another to break the deadlock (the power demonstrated in this action alone should dispel the myth that Satele is lacking in strength and raw power in comparison to the toughest brutes of PT era), After this, Malgus managed to disarm Satele but he was not able to Strike her down due to her enormous speed and acrobatic maneuvers and she (Satele) even managed to block the opponent's lightsaber with bare hands (a feat that even the likes of Yoda have not duplicated) and it is unclear what would have happened if Malcom had not interfered.]
NOTE: Events in the bracket shown in the Hope cinematic. Nonetheless, Satele have demonstrated talents that are seldom witnessed, strength that is seldom duplicated, and competency of premium combatants in a single event.
Malgus survived the disaster due to his immense power and ability to take punishment and proceeded to fight more Jedi before retreating from the planet. This confrontation is described in the literature and it contains some of the most impressive showings of the Lord in question even in such a compromised physical condition which is really telling about his power during this time. Among the Jedi he encountered, one was really a powerhouse of lets say Vader's caliber if not better and even that Jedi failed to defeat Malgus.
This is the entire picture and I hope that people manage to comprehend it completely before deciding to underestimate both Shan and Malgus in their next debates.
Originally posted by carthage
Not seeing what "skill advantage" Satele has, losing to pre-prime Malgus and beating featless characters are inferior showings to Savage beating Plo and fighting evenly with Ventress.
Mauls wins with HoT.
I'm also curious what people think of Dathomir Talzin vs. unamped Vitiate.
Originally posted by Selenial
Talzin > Vitiate.
Maul > HOT
Satele > SavageInterestingly I still think Savage could beat her, given his strengths and her weaknesses.
Talzin would slaughter Vitiate here though, she's a superior duelist and on Dathomir is a far superior combatant with the force.
Dog > Talzin
Cat > Maul
Mouse > Savage
Doesn't makes my argument credible.
Only your last ranking is credible. Pops for that. And no, Savage cannot contend with a Jedi of that caliber.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I can just as easily say that:Dog > Talzin
Cat > Maul
Mouse > SavageDoesn't makes my argument credible.
Only your last ranking is credible. Pops for that. And no, Savage cannot contend with a Jedi of that caliber.
Proof that Savage can't? Malgus dominated her. And she noted as such, multiple times.
If you could prove that HOT is better than Maul then go for it, but she has literally no showings that compare.
Vitiate has no feats that put him on ROTS level, especially off Nexus. Her Lightning contended with Sidious, and her bladework pushed Windu back. She is infinitely superior to vitiate in this setting.
Originally posted by Selenial
Proof that Savage can't? Malgus dominated her. And she noted as such, multiple times.
Read this:
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am fully aware of what transpired during the confrontation between Satele Shan and Malgus on Aldeeran but I find the sheer magnitude of ignorance demonstrated by some members amusing concerning the events of the Hope cinematic. Many mistakenly assume Malgus to be lacking during this time. I just had a lengthy discussion about Malgus's skills and power as of this point in a recent thread, but some comments in this thread seem to indicate that PTRetards tend to be lot more biased then TORRetards in general.Satele did end-up disarmed by Malgus but she performed admirably against him nonetheless. However, people not just tend to overlook Satele's impressive showings in this battle but also mistakenly assume that just because Malgus succeeded at disarming her, every well-known Tom and Harry would also.
Satele is evidently on a much higher level in competence, command of the Force, and raw power aspects as of Hope then most in the mythos.
The entire cinematic is small so people have limited knowledge of developments of this battle on Aldeeran. The larger picture is that Satele and Leener arrived on Aldeeran and collectively turned the tide of this battle after inflicting heavy losses on the Sith forces with their powers and combat abilities. [Satele eventually encountered Jace Malcom and saved him from execution by eliminating 3 Sith Warriors simultaneously with a single esoteric blast of power (this feat alone demonstrates the caliber of her command of the Force and that she is a potent threat to many individuals with her esoteric powers), proceeding to cut a swath through more Sith forces before reaching the position of Malgus. During this confrontation, Satele held Malgus at bay with a single hand and knocked down a gigantic tree with a telekinetic gesture from the another to break the deadlock (the power demonstrated in this action alone should dispel the myth that Satele is lacking in strength and raw power in comparison to the toughest brutes of PT era), After this, Malgus managed to disarm Satele but he was not able to Strike her down due to her enormous speed and acrobatic maneuvers and she (Satele) even managed to block the opponent's lightsaber with bare hands (a feat that even the likes of Yoda have not duplicated) and it is unclear what would have happened if Malcom had not interfered.]
NOTE: Events in the bracket shown in the Hope cinematic. Nonetheless, Satele have demonstrated talents that are seldom witnessed, strength that is seldom duplicated, and competency of premium combatants in a single event.
Malgus survived the disaster due to his immense power and ability to take punishment and proceeded to fight more Jedi before retreating from the planet. This confrontation is described in the literature and it contains some of the most impressive showings of the Lord in question even in such a compromised physical condition which is really telling about his power during this time. Among the Jedi he encountered, one was really a powerhouse of lets say Vader's caliber if not better and even that Jedi failed to defeat Malgus.
This is the entire picture and I hope that people manage to comprehend it completely before deciding to underestimate both Shan and Malgus in their next debates.
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Its a sad day when evidence is ignored on the face of it.
Originally posted by Selenial
If you could prove that HOT is better than Maul then go for it, but she has literally no showings that compare.
Originally posted by Selenial
Vitiate has no feats that put him on ROTS level, especially off Nexus. Her Lightning contended with Sidious, and her bladework pushed Windu back. She is infinitely superior to vitiate in this setting.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here is evidence of Emperor Vitiate soundly defeating a Strike Team of some of the finest Jedi of the Order on a space station:Official description:
With Grand Master Satele Shan's support, Master Braga assembles a strike team of the strongest and most resolute Jedi in the order. Their goal is to pinpoint the Emperor's hidden fortress, capture the Sith leader alive, and turn him to the light side. The Jedi do not realize that they have underestimated the true extent of the Emperor's power. It is an error that will cost them dearly.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
The plan to invade the Emperor's fortress succeeds beyond Master Braga's greatest ambitions. However, the Jedi find more than they bargained for when they finally confront the Sith leader in his lair. The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side. Armed with incalculable powers of corruption, the Emperor easily defeats the Knight, Master Braga, and their fellow Jedi, twisting them all to the dark side.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopeda)
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This is the referred space station:
This is Emperor Vitiate or an avatar (Voice):
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The idea that talzin is infinitely superior to Vitiate in any setting is disgusting.
On Dathomir at full strength she's basically ROTS Sidious, maybe stronger.
People say that the "she could be weakened" doesn't count because of the word "could", but Sidious would not dare confront her on Dathomir until she had sacrificed herself for Maul first. He had extensive knowledge on the NightSister arts and knew she'd be weakened.
She's a far better duelist and has shown superior drain and Lightning, deal with it? 馃拑
Originally posted by Selenial
On Dathomir at full strength she's basically ROTS Sidious, maybe stronger.People say that the "she could be weakened" doesn't count because of the word "could", but Sidious would not dare confront her on Dathomir until she had sacrificed herself for Maul first. He had extensive knowledge on the NightSister arts and knew she'd be weakened.
And this is a limitation of Sidious, not Vitiate's who have likely mastered all forms of sorcery.
Originally posted by Selenial
She's a far better duelist and has shown superior drain and Lightning, deal with it? 馃拑
Superior drain and lightning?
Vitiate drained individuals from lightyear distances and many simultaneously. In-fact, he was such a master of these talents that he used them to increase in power on consistent basis. In addition, Vitiate's lightning is potent enough to swiftly overwhelm even the toughest of the defenses that Jedi are known to muster involving lightsabers and/or tutaminis abilities. And you know the end result? It reduces individuals to ash unless Vitiate wants to be lenient. And I am not even considering sorcery here.
Originally posted by Selenial
Talzin > Vitiate.
Maul > HOT
Satele > SavageInterestingly I still think Savage could beat her, given his strengths and her weaknesses.
Talzin would slaughter Vitiate here though, she's a superior duelist and on Dathomir is a far superior combatant with the force.
馃槓
Far superior with the Force? That's hysterical that you actually believe that. Not really I didn't actually laugh that was dumb.
No effing way is Talzin slaughtering Vitiate. She has no defense against either his telepathy or his telekinesis and he'd overwhelm her with his lightning as well, or kick her ass with sorcery. He's flat out better than her.
And the HoT would beat Maul. Derp.
Originally posted by Selenial
On Dathomir at full strength she's basically ROTS Sidious, maybe stronger.People say that the "she could be weakened" doesn't count because of the word "could", but Sidious would not dare confront her on Dathomir until she had sacrificed herself for Maul first. He had extensive knowledge on the NightSister arts and knew she'd be weakened.
She's a far better duelist and has shown superior drain and Lightning, deal with it? 馃拑
The idea that RotS Sidious is infinitely superior to Vitiate is also disgusting.
And when the hell did she use drain?
Originally posted by Nephthys
馃槓Far superior with the Force? That's hysterical that you actually believe that. Not really I didn't actually laugh that was dumb.
No effing way is Talzin slaughtering Vitiate. She has no defense against either his telepathy or his telekinesis and he's overwhelm her with his lightning as well, or kick her ass with sorcery.
And the HoT would beat Maul. Derp.
Originally posted by Nephthys
馃槓Far superior with the Force? That's hysterical that you actually believe that. Not really I didn't actually laugh that was dumb.
No effing way is Talzin slaughtering Vitiate. She has no defense against either his telepathy or his telekinesis and he'd overwhelm her with his lightning as well, or kick her ass with sorcery. He's flat out better than her.
And the HoT would beat Maul. Derp.
The idea that RotS Sidious is infinitely superior to Vitiate is also disgusting.
And when the hell did she use drain?
I said "here". This is on Dathomir.
She dominated Dooku's mind, so lol? What are his telekinesis feats? I mean the ones that outstrip Sidious', since he couldn't use it on her. Her force barrier was blocking Force Lightning, something that is incredibly rare in the mythos. Her barriers are easily enough to block TK.
When she drained Dooku? 馃槙
Originally posted by Selenial
I said "here". This is on Dathomir.She dominated Dooku's mind, so lol? What are his telekinesis feats? I mean the ones that outstrip Sidious', since he couldn't use it on her. Her force barrier was blocking Force Lightning, something that is incredibly rare in the mythos. Her barriers are easily enough to block TK.
When she drained Dooku? 馃槙
I know what you said.
Uh, no she didn't. Being telekinetically superior to Revan. Which doesn't necessarily put him above Sidious, but I mean Sidious didn't use TK on her, that doesn't mean that he couldn't. And that's a speculative argument, TK can bypass such a shield if he chooses to simply throttle her. TK's not a bolt of energy.
And... that's impressive to you? I mean, it was probably a ritual iirc for one thing. And for another he was a defenseless captive.