Caedus vs. HoT, Braga, Darach and Zallow

Originally posted by AncientPower
Caedus was ambushed and unprepared, the team admitted that capturing him was an unrealistic prospect and settled for planting a tracking device. Just to note Katarn has greater feats than all bar the HoT and even then is far from outmatched.

Caedus has brilliant speed feats throughout his appearances and fighting Luke whom is desperately attempting to capture him, keep his son safe and is actually losing most of it is definitely more impressive by magnitudes than anything your TOR team can claim.

Beyond that the fact that Jaina Solo couldn't blitz him despite the ability to do the same to incredibly strong Sith and Vong whilst severely injured is also incredibly impressive.

Caedus couldn't stomp anything in those circumstances but performed exceptionally despite them. Your point?

Caedus has greater feats in every aspect than all of his opponents by ever inceasing degrees.

And Katarn was flanked by 2 random knights. The team here is vastly superior than the team that attacked Caedus then. More people and everyone is on a higher plane. They can definitely challenge Jacen.

"Brilliant speed feats" as in what? Not getting blitzed by Jaina is lolworthy. The HoT and Zallow have blitzed powerful Sith as well. But I'll concede that they won't blitz him either. 👆

That against a vastly superior team in mildly better circumstances he'd be challenged and likely overcome. You've ignored that Jacen himself admits he can't beat Saba-level opponents easily. All of this team are within that sphere.

Originally posted by Trocity
Laughable ease, eh? So how would Vitiate do against them?

(This should be good)

He'd probably Telepathy-spam, but a peak HoT can possibly support the team enough to give them a good shot.

Give Darach his padawan's saberstaff and Caedus will be in all kinds of bother.

Jaina Solo has dominating blitz displays against opponents with more feats than all of HoT's allies combined. Two random knights? you just proved that you haven't read Legacy of the Force properly, nor even the Vong series.

Jaina Solo actually has better feats than the Hero now I think about it, but nice NJO lowballing you have there. I'm sure you feel 'cool' now.

Caedus has fought and at least stalemated Mara Jade, Jaina Solo and Luke himself, three opponents with far greater speed feats than the nameless Jedi you tout.

If you replace the entire team with Revan then it might be a very interesting fight, as is they don't have nearly the feats to compete.

And Katarn was flanked by 2 random knights. The team here is vastly superior than the team that attacked Caedus then. More people and everyone is on a higher plane. They can definitely challenge Jacen.

Caedus in text was casually batting away their strikes, knew he could easily beat them, and even fought threee of them at once in spite of being injured:

"Not to a traitor." Caedus looked at the other three as their Forceaugmented
sprints came to an end, leaving them in a semicircle before
him. Three Jedi Knights: the younger Horn, the Falleen Mithric, the Bothan
Hu'lya. He resisted the urge to snort. Separately or collectively, these Jedi
Knights were no match for him.
Katarn, though, was a threat. Still, the Jedi had only moments before GA
reinforcements would arrive. Their attack was already a failure.

Now the three Jedi Knights assailed Solo all-out, a fight they were doomed to lose
to lose. Seha could not save them. Her tasks were accomplished

Katarn himself is above anyone on the TOR team, and he dispatched him within a series of moments and TKED him. He won't have a problem ragdolling or killing fodder like Braga or easily taking Zallow or Darach at once.

"Brilliant speed feats" as in what? Not getting blitzed by Jaina is lolworthy. The HoT and Zallow have blitzed powerful Sith as well. But I'll concede that they won't blitz him either. thumb up

Dodging blaster bolts while injured, fighting faster than Ben Skywalker who (can dodge blaster bolts, lightning, and leave trails of light with his lightsaber) could perceive, forming curtains and fans with his lightsaber simultaneously, moving his blade fast enough to illuminate a corner of the Anakin solo, moving his blade fast enough to form a column of light, as well as contend with Luke while injured. None of them have any showings comparable.

That against a vastly superior team in mildly better circumstances he'd be challenged and likely overcome. You've ignored that Jacen himself admits he can't beat Saba-level opponents easily. All of this team are within that sphere.

No one on the team is superior to Kyle or Saba in dueling skill 😬

Originally posted by AncientPower
Jaina Solo has dominating blitz displays against opponents with more feats than all of HoT's allies combined. Two random knights? you just proved that you haven't read Legacy of the Force properly, nor even the Vong series.

Jaina Solo actually has better feats than the Hero now I think about it, but nice NJO lowballing you have there. I'm sure you feel 'cool' now.

Calm down.

Jaina also killed Caedus, which I think you're forgetting. Trying to hype Jaina doesn't make Caedus as much greater than the team than you think. Unless you also think Jaina can speedblitz the team (****ing lol), it doesn't establish as much as you think. Plus you haven't actually given much to back up all this hype so you're not convincing me. Also yeah sorry, I messed up. It was actually 3 random chumps, not 2.

random SWTOR character X defeats SWTOR character Y

Doesn't mean Y is weak, it means X is that good!

Jaina defeats Caedus

Both suck.

#nephlogic
#doublestandards

Yup, Braga that is featless, Darach that got killed by trainee Malgus, Hero who has only beaten featless fodder, and Zallow who died to an opponent far inferior to Caedus.

He is really going to lose to them 👆

Originally posted by The_Tempest
random SWTOR character X defeats SWTOR character Y

Doesn't mean Y is weak, it means X is that good!

Jaina defeats Caedus

Both suck.

#nephlogic
#doublestandards

Not really. AP is trying to use Jaina not blitzing Caedus as proof that he can totes speedblitz the team, despite offering nothing indicating Jaina could speedblitz the team. So he's trying to establish them to a certain level, and while I'm not saying that they suck, what I am saying is that neither is going to blitz this team. Unless he actually has some of these brilliant speed feats he's mentioned.

Me suggesting neither can speedblitz a team of some of the most powerful TOR Jedi doesn't mean they suck, bro. But nice try.

You not providing any speed feats that compare to the ones listed for Caedus isn't proof they can't be blitzed. But ok.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
random SWTOR character X defeats SWTOR character Y

Doesn't mean Y is weak, it means X is that good!

Jaina defeats Caedus

Both suck.

#nephlogic
#doublestandards

So true

Not sure how Jaina not being able to blitz the team is proof he can't, lol.

Originally posted by Trocity
Laughable ease, eh? So how would Vitiate do against them?

(This should be good)

Vitiate defeats them because he's a vastly superior force user.

Caedus loses to them because he's a vastly superior force user.

/shrug

Caedus in a difficult fight.

Originally posted by carthage
Katarn himself is above anyone on the TOR team, and he dispatched him within a series of moments and TKED him. He won't have a problem ragdolling or killing fodder like Braga or easily taking Zallow or Darach at once.

As of the rest right on point.

Actually it said he would've cut him in half if it weren't for a distraction.

But yeah, Caedus is vastly above these guys in spite of Nephs' crap logic

lol Caedus dies.

Nope

Originally posted by Nephthys
Calm down.

Jaina also killled Caedus, which I think you're forgetting. Trying to hype Jaina doesn't make Caedus as much greater than the team than you think. Unless you also think Jaina can speedblitz the team (****ing lol), it doesn't establish as much as you think. Plus you haven't actually given much to back up all this hype so you're not convincing me. Also yeah sorry, I messed up. It was actually 3 random chumps, not 2.

Jaina killed a disinterested Caedus consumed with the thought his daughter Allana is about to die. Yet more proof you haven't actually read the books.

If you knew anything about Jaina Solo you would know she has killed extremely well-trained Sith via speedblitz on Dromund Kaas. Not to mention killed a High Lord with pinnioned legs via blinding speed.

Jaina is one of the most overly trained Jedi combatants in the mythos, she is the Sword of the Jedi. Hyped to a point where she has been compared favorably to Luke Skywalker in Fate of the Jedi as a swordsman. She has the highest tier Mandalorian training combined with sword skills referred to as 'ruthless' by Caedus himself.

Kyle Katarn had four allies whom all have more feats than three quarters of your team does.

None of your TOR team has speed feats that even compare to Jaina Solo, nevermind her far more skilled and powerful brother.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
random SWTOR character X defeats SWTOR character Y

Doesn't mean Y is weak, it means X is that good!

Jaina defeats Caedus

Both suck.

#nephlogic
#doublestandards

👆

Jaina is stronger than the HoT now that I think about it.

It's definitely a possibility. 👆

She killed a disinterested Caedus

I think this is overplayed, honestly. In their first fight, the only advantage she had was that Caedus was hesitant about facing Luke Skywalker head-on with one arm. He was definitely going for the kill that round.

If you knew anything about Jaina Solo you would know she has killed extremely well-trained Sith via speedblitz on Dromund Kaas.

The Hero of Tython also speed-blitzed two Sith Lords that had just defeated a Council Member, one strike each. It was a pathetic Council member, sure, but I doubt the Sith that Jaina took down are any more impressive regardless.

Jaina is one of the most overly trained Jedi combatants in the mythos, she is the Sword of the Jedi. Hyped to a point where she has been compared favorably to Luke Skywalker in Fate of the Jedi as a swordsman.

That's not really true, though, considering that even Jacen isn't better than Luke.

Kyle Katarn had four allies whom all have more feats than three quarters of your team does.

Those Jedi were decent, and children of great Jedi, but none of them are a real match for anyone in this thread tbh.

In the second round he repeatedly gave her recovery and let her batman him to death, when he actually attempted to subdue her she was helpless.

Jacen was equating Luke in pure sabers to be fair, that is why he forced a duel.

They were collectively deemed the best team of Jedi available to Kyle at the time IIRC because they worked so well.