Caedus vs. HoT, Braga, Darach and Zallow · Star Wars Versus Forum

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Why would either of us? We aren't debating with you.

Selenial I Choose Violence

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Why would either of us? We aren't debating with you.

It's just fun to watch.

AncientPower The Chosen One

Unfortunately I refuse to 'debate' with persons such as him, they take every norm of debating and defecate upon them to their own liking.

Frankly arguing that anyone bar Vitiate and Revan are Caedus tier is absolutely horrific logic in and of itself.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Are Neph's "arguments" really more compelling?

AncientPower The Chosen One

Neph can concede in debates and/or change his mind admirable traits, hence the difference.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by AncientPower
Neph can concede in debates and/or change his mind admirable traits, hence the difference.

The irony 🙄

Are you flexible yourself? You are extremely rigid in your beliefs as well.

Many of your points lack in accuracy.

AncientPower The Chosen One

You calling out anyone for anything that includes bias, rigidity, hard-headedness and accuracy in debates is like Nicholas Cage calling out someone for over-acting.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Here is a summary of mindset of fans of Legacy era characters.

Observation: Lumiya defeated Luke

Excuse of Legacy era fans: Luke lost because of unfamiliarity with combat style of Lumiya

Crucial observations overlooked by Legacy era fans:

- Luke disarmed Sidious earlier (his power and skills were not lacking)
- Mara never lost to Lumiya

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Observation: Nyax's powers proved to be too much for Luke to handle

Excuse of Legacy era fans: Nyax drew power from the nexus

Crucial observation overlooked by Legacy era fans:

- Luke had help from 2 more Jedi
- The Jedi also drew power from nexus after Luke's insistence
- Nyax was potentially stronger then any Jedi of his era

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Observation: Caedus injured Luke in a duel

Hype from Legacy era fans: Caedus > TOR era champions

Crucial observations overlooked by Legacy era fans:

- Luke have limitations and history of failures in combat situations

Observation: Shimrra overwhelmed Luke but the Jedi got the opportunity to win due to additional lightsaber tossed towards him by Jacen that Luke pulled from Shimrra's grasp and the tide shifted.

Misrepresentation of Legacy era fans: Luke defeated Shimrra without any problems

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Observation: Luke and Krayt fought Abeloth and did equally well, in-fact Krayt demonstrated superior durability.

Hype from Legacy era fans: Luke >>>>>>>> Krayt anyways

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I can mention more gems.

But nope. TOR era fans are devoid of logic and have made this era undesirable for others to debate. 🙄

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

I''ve been following the debate for a while, and I think most of us (with notable exceptions, unfortunately) can agree that:

- Caedus is demonstrably in Luke/Sidious/Yoda tier in sabers
- Caedus's force feats outstrip those of the TOR team by a fair amount

With this in mind, Caedus wins the fight easily.

Trocity Undefeated and Undisputed

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ILS Restricted

Originally posted by Stigma
I''ve been following the debate for a while, and I think most of us (with notable exceptions, unfortunately) can agree that:
- Caedus is demonstrably in Luke/Sidious/Yoda tier in sabers
- Caedus's force feats outstrip those of the TOR team by a fair amount
With this in mind, Caedus wins the fight easily.

Agreed.

Arhael Devoid of reality

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here is a summary of mindset of fans of Legacy era characters.
Observation: Lumiya defeated Luke
Excuse of Legacy era fans: Luke lost because of unfamiliarity with combat style of Lumiya
Crucial observations overlooked by Legacy era fans:
- Luke disarmed Sidious earlier (his power and skills were not lacking)
- Mara never lost to Lumiya
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She defeated him only in his early career shortly after RotJ. In NJO she never defeated him. Only gravely injured him because he got distracted by Alima's anger projection and she struck in that moment. He steal won the fight though.

Observation: Nyax's powers proved to be too much for Luke to handle
Excuse of Legacy era fans: Nyax drew power from the nexus
Crucial observation overlooked by Legacy era fans:
- Luke had help from 2 more Jedi
- The Jedi also drew power from nexus after Luke's insistence
- Nyax was potentially stronger then any Jedi of his era
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Nyax is a 3 meter hulk who had his already high potential vastly increased through cybernetics and other experiments. Nothing wrong with him being more powerful and more physucally capable in combat than Luke. Who even claimed that it is due to nexus? :/ Regardless, Luke needing help to defeat Nyax =/= Luke wouldn't beat lets say Vitiate.

Observation: Caedus injured Luke in a duel
Hype from Legacy era fans: Caedus > TOR era champions
Crucial observations overlooked by Legacy era fans:
- Luke have limitations and history of failures in combat situations

Not really an argument. By this logic any feat can be discarded because all characters have limitations. It is irrelevant whether Caedus was able to injure Luke. What matter is that they fought on even terms.

Observation: Shimrra overwhelmed Luke but the Jedi got the opportunity to win due to additional lightsaber tossed towards him by Jacen that Luke pulled from Shimrra's grasp and the tide shifted.
Misrepresentation of Legacy era fans: Luke defeated Shimrra without any problems

Oh I remember you talking something about me embarassing myself. Again, Luke had no help from Jacen whatsoever. You got it totally wrong. It was Luke who threw Jacen's lightsaber to Jacen. But Jacen failed to catch it and it reminded him of his dream from Balance Point. Shimra took out Anakin's lightsaber out of his pocket and Luke summoned it with Force. Regardless, Luke fought Shimra after killing countless vongs and majority of Slayers. Luke even struggled to finish last Slayer despite, despite the fact that he killed multiple of them in simultaneous combat before that, you can't ignore fatigue factor.

Observation: Luke and Krayt fought Abeloth and did equally well, in-fact Krayt demonstrated superior durability.
Hype from Legacy era fans: Luke >>>>>>>> Krayt anyways

Personally I put Krayt on Sidious level or possibly above. Agree with you on this one.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Stigma
I''ve been following the debate for a while, and I think most of us (with notable exceptions, unfortunately) can agree that:
- Caedus is demonstrably in Luke/Sidious/Yoda tier in sabers
- Caedus's force feats outstrip those of the TOR team by a fair amount
With this in mind, Caedus wins the fight easily.

Most of us? Fans of Legacy era characters are really overreaching with Caedus.

- Yes, Caedus can be regarded as among the top duelists of the mythos. However, it is a stretch to assume that nobody from TOR era can compete with the likes of Caedus, Luke, Sidious and Yoda in martial aspects of combat.

- Caedus is among the best explored characters of the mythos. He benefits from this exposure in versus debates. This doesn't means that he can take on a Strike Team of some of the greatest Jedi in history and win.

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HoT have history of defeating many powerful and notable opponents and noted for his immense power and exceptional martial prowess within the lore.

Braga is among the strongest and most resolute Jedi of the Order.

Zallow blitzed two battle-hardened Sith warriors and overwhelmed Lord Adraas.

Darach demonstrated unparalleled dueling ability in technical context on-screen. He managed to fight two powerful Sith Lords (one of them was already among the greatest warriors of the Empire) simultaneously and overwhelmed both. Darach's on-screen feats are also decent.

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I don't think that any Jedi in this Strike Team is inferior than Kyle Katarn and Caedus cannot realistically take on 4 Katarn-level or superior opponents and win.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

I cant believe this thread is still going on

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by carthage
I cant believe this thread is still going on

This is a discussion forum, right?

It doesn't matters how many pages a thread spans. Illogical assessments of some fans will be addressed.

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

More hilarious is that SWL unwittingly makes an argument that Krayt is above Vitiate. It's as follows:

Krayt = Luke > Sidious > Vitiate

Yet another Sith Lord better than Viti 😂

zEniX Star Wars Heretic

Vitiate(Book not game version) > Luke(FTJ version) > (Sidious book version) > Krayt

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by zEniX
Vitiate(Book not game version) > Luke(FTJ version) > (Sidious book version) > Krayt

Nah.

Kenobi (ghost version) > Ahsoka (hentai version) > Vitiate (any version)

zEniX Star Wars Heretic

Originally posted by Stigma
Nah.
Kenobi (ghost version) > Ahsoka (hentai version) > Vitiate (any version)

Pretty sure Ahsoka (hentai version) > Kenobi (ghost version)

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Originally posted by zEniX
Pretty sure Ahsoka (hentai version) > Kenobi (ghost version)

Kenobi is a smug beast, he can do things that even Vader "cannot possibly imagine".