Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, not really.
Let's go by Legends/EU and old canon feats:
- Sidious as of TPM is equivalent to Plagueis who can atomize people with telekinetic blasts even when severely injured
- Sidious casually Force-choked Dooku from Coruscant while speaking and maintaing a line of sight with him over the Holonet, while Dooku was on Christophis on the other side of the galaxy
- Sidious as of RoTS is more powerful then same Plagueis whose ambient energy
can affect the entire planetary weather system on Naboo
- Sidious' death on the second Death Star at Endor left a dark side nexus which causes severe pain to Force-users who encounter it
- Sidious mind-****ed and force-drained Byss, a planet with a population of 19 billion people while putting its indigenous citizens in a dream-like mental state while he slowly fed on them and turned the planet into another nexus of dark side energy
- Sidious can create and conjure Force Storms which can wipe out entire fleets and even half a decade after the events of Dark Empire story, it is specifically referenced they still hadn't recovered from the damage his Force Storm did to parts of Coruscant's cityscape
- Sidious kept up the dark shroud even after Plagueis death by himself clouding the precognitive and prescient abilities of a Jedi Order numbering some 10,000+ invididuals including Windu, Yoda, and other notable Knights and Masters
- To TEMPORARILY cut off Reborn Palpatine from the Force, Luke along with Leia and the unborn Anakin Solo had to concentrate the entirety of the light side to severe his control of the Force Storm he created at the end of Dark Empire I
- In the finale of Dark Empire in Empire's End, it took "every single Jedi in history" who died to drag Sidious' soul into the abyss of the Force to keep him locked away in the void for good
Please explain in detail how Traya is comparable to Sidious.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
You strike me as a parody of an internet tough guy at times personally so... :maybe
@Kallig, welcome... I assume you aren't new to debating, so what forum/website did you originate from? Cheers and welcome!
--The Most Important Guy Here
Originally posted by Kallig
Plagueis who can atomize people with telekinetic blasts even when severely injured
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Of course, I try to keep the entertainment running while still acknowledging members here have at least some value.
That's always a good thing to do :maybe
@Kallig, welcome... I assume you aren't new to debating, so what forum/website did you originate from? Cheers and welcome!
--The Most Important Guy Here
He's not new
I can guarantee that much
****er's called Fang where I post for reference :maybe
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
BTW, I just wanted to point out Plagueis can't atomize people. The text specifically states he didn't, and people take it that he did without realizing the big "but" in front of the word atomize.
Originally posted by Darth Plagueis pdf
The closest of the assassins swung to him with raised vibroblades and rushed forward, only to be flung backward off the canted stage and against the room's curved walls. Others Plagueis felled with his hands by snapping necks and putting his fists through armored torsos. Spreading his arms wide, he clapped his hands together, turning every loose object in the vicinity into a deadly projectile. But the Maladians were far from run-of-the-mill murderers. Members of the cult had killed and wounded Jedi, and in response to confronting Force powers, they didn't shrink or flee but simply changed tactics, moving with astounding agility to surround Plagueis and wait for openings.The wait lasted only until Plagueis attempted to unleash lightning. His second subsidiary heart failed, paralyzing him with pain and nearly plunging him into unconsciousness. The assassins wasted not a moment, throwing themselves at him in groups, though in a vain attempt to penetrate the Force shield he raised. Again he rallied, this time with a ragged sound dredged from deep inside that erupted from him like a sonic weapon, shattering the eardrums of those within ten meters and compelling the rest to bring their hands to their ears.
In blinding motion his hands and feet smashed skulls and windpipes. He stopped once to conjure a Force wave that all but atomized the bodies of six Maladians. He spun through a turn, dragging the wave halfway around the room to kill half a dozen more. But even that wasn't enough to deter his assailants. They flew against him again, making the most of his momentary weakness to open gashes on his arms and shoulders. Down on one knee, he levitated a Sun Guard blaster from the floor and called it toward him; but one of the assassins succeeded in altering its trajectory by hurling himself into the path of the airborne weapon.
With nothing more than the Force of his mind, Plagueis rattled the floor, knocking some of the assassins off their feet, but others rushed in to take their places, slashing at him with their vibroblades from every angle. He knew that he had life enough to conjure one final counteroffensive. He was a moment from loosing hell on the Maladians when he sensed Sidious enter the room.
Originally posted by Darth Plagueis pdf
Assassinations, murders, and other crimes were no match for the codes of silence that had governed the Order of the Canted Circle, the Gran Protectorate, Santhe Security, and the Jedi High Council almost since their inceptions. Had the elite members and private guards of the Canted Circle not been drugged and found unconscious in dressing rooms and other places, police investigators summoned to the headquarters by two Jedi Knights would never have been allowed to enter the landmark building, let alone the order's vaunted initiation room, in which were discovered the bodies of two Echani, believed to be bodyguards; a dozen Muuns, killed by decapitator disks and vibroblades; and three times that number of Maladian assassins dressed in borrowed robes, who had succumbed to blaster bolts, blunt-force injuries, and, in some cases, traumatic amputations. So scattered were the latter, investigators initially suspected that an explosive device had been detonated, but no trace of a device was ever uncovered.The Muuns were quickly identified as top-ranking members of a clandestine financial group known as Damask Holdings, though its wealthy founder and chief operating officer, Hego Damask, was believed to have survived the sneak attack. The Jedi who had alerted the police never revealed what had drawn them to the Fobosi district to begin with, or why they expressed such interest in the case. As well, the members of the Order of the Canted Circle refused to answer any questions.At the Malastare embassy in the heart of Coruscant the evidence was even more baffling, and complicated by a fire and ensuing gas explosion that had swept through the building. Fire marshals and forensics specialists were picking through the charred remains of the three-story resiblock when two members of the Jedi Council had paid an unannounced visit. Again, the Jedi had declined to explain their actions, but the police were able to make progress on their own. The amount of blood residue discovered at the scene led investigators to determine that, prior to the arrival of the police, several bodies had been incinerated on site, which suggested the work of elements of organized crime. In the wake of the recent assassination of Senator Vidar Kim, the Senate Investigatory Committee formed a special task force to look into the matter. Many beings were interviewed and interrogated, and many security cam recordings studied during the course of the investigation, but most of the principal players and witnesses hid behind their lawyers, even when threatened with imprisonment for obstruction of justice.
Originally posted by Kallig
The foresnic droids didn't even find blood stains only impressions and shadows where their bodies were, I'm fairly certain they were atomized.
"He stopped once to conjure a Force wave that all but atomized the bodies of six Maladians."
--Star Wars: Darth Plagueis
Plagueis also possess more then enough actual energy to do so anyways so it certainly does not come off hyperbole.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nope! 😄"He stopped once to conjure a Force wave that all [b]but
atomized the bodies of six Maladians."
--Star Wars: Darth Plagueis[/B]
All but would tend to infer he just came up short so...
I'd say you're kind of splitting hairs myself.
Don't mean to sound like a prick but we don't use science calcs as evidence in these ghettos.
My rebuttal to your non answer in my Nyriss vs Traya thread still goes unaddressed fyi :maybe
Not like I'm telling you all to change how you operate, just trying to understand the logic of how shit works here.