Force Drain: How's it work?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That depends how much prestige you ascribe to feats. ChaosTheory is right: it's a feat in vast excess of what most Force users have demonstrated or are capable of and to claim or insinuate otherwise is silly.
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Stop mocking Sidious and his defenders. It's hypocritical and pretty shitty.

Sidious isn't being mocked. What's being mocked is the idea that generating estimates about joules by way of damage estimates from the Force Storm wormholes could in any context contribute a meaningful answer. The implication of ChaosTheory's methodology is that we can simply compare the watts from Palpatine and the watts from Surik and let the most efficient capacitor be the victor.

The specific mechanism by which ABC logic fails is the same reason that I don't bother digging out the specific numbers that I ran for N.'s Ravager feat. To wit, characters with similar "Force Power" pools can achieve vastly different results, and the variance within each character's showings is large as well. Even the same Force technique, applied in different situations, will interact differently with another character's skillset. For example, there's a character in NJO who is really good at energy manipulation and really bad at telekinesis. Given Bane and N.'s aptitudes, I'd put his survival at significantly longer against Bane than against N.

Beyond just interesting technique interactions, there's the variety of factors which we hardly ever have access to. Does character A experience dark-side emotions more keenly than character B? This becomes really important when they fight Mace Windu. If these factors influence the techniques themselves, then a Force push of 10 (whatever units you like) from character A might be more difficult to defend against than a Force push with the same magnitude from character B. The Exile / N. is a good example of this, but not the only one. Dooku used something like Force crush against Kenobi on Invisible Hand with an output of more than enough energy to ragdoll his body (given that the body was moved AND a few ribs were constricted). Whatever Force defense Kenobi had was insufficient. But Kar Vastor used a Force throw on Mace who was able to redirect, rather than directly counter, the applied energy. So small differences in technique lead to very different outcomes, even with similar orders of magnitude work/energy considerations.
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Now, why am I replying to you instead of ChaosTheory? Because this idea of mocking Sidious seems like a rhetorical device that could completely derail the thread. I'd like to make very plain that specifying a mechanism for a great feat is not mockery. Saying that there is a difference in kind between the times Sidious ravaged planets' surfaces and the time Bane ravaged planets' surfaces doesn't detract from either feat. It simply reinforces the idea that comparisons aren't uni-dimensional.

...Unless you think any comparison between Sidious and other Sith is a mockery of Sidious, in which case I can't help you 😉

Seeing as how using Sidious as an example got some of you hot and bothered enough to derail the original premise, I'll rephrase it here before I get into Neph's post :maybe

To stave off semantic argument, this character will be hypothetical and unestablished as existing... given I'm probably begging for someone to come in and cite a low showing or two to further avoid answering the ****ing question :maybe

A random universal being, who by which through any of their attacks could one shot a universe is standing there... unprotected from a force drain attack.

Traya happens upon them and tries to drain them of all that power

Does she instantly drain all that energy? If so, how and why?

What evidence do you possess? Do any of you know what appeals to ignorance and the derivative fallacy of no limits are? :hmm

Originally posted by Nephthys
> He tears open space and time or whatever and then controls and directs the forces that unleashes.

So you're saying it's a hax?

> If Sidious really had the power in him to rip fleets apart or tear the surfaces off of worlds, then why would he need to create the Force Storm at all instead of just using TK?

I'd argue it's pretty much the same reasons why a character like Goku has various techniques at his disposal ranging from a generic ki blast to a kamehameha

Bearing in mind he could just as easily detonate a planet with a weak ki attack compared to something like a kamehameha.

That said, I tend to chalk that kind of thing up to bad writing or some inherent character flaw like arrogance when I encounter it in a given series.

I'm neither a Sidious supporter, or even someone that has read DE though. I'm pretty much just aware of the feats.

Maybe I'm wrong, why don't you show me why?

> Claims to use physics to prove his point. Fails to use physics to defend his argument.

Then educate me

What about the theoretical physics concept of a wormhole contradicts my interpretation of the technique?

Your rebuttal at this bullet was literally "physics happens" with no actual WHY explained

This is 2 for 2 so far around here by the way, is substance in an argument so difficult to come by? It's great that you believe something, but debating it requires explaining why.

> I'm not arguing it isn't powerful (Nihilus' drain > tho) just that it doesn't make Sidious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Traya.

There's plenty in the mythos without this feat that would implicate it the same

But I suppose this board hates to acknowledge things like powerscaling between techniques

Which to be fair isn't actually something I'm trying to challenge I guess

Naturally the Sith don't compare to Sidious. But the combined power of all 7 of them is definitely a good measuring stick for a comparison with him.

Why? Where does the conclusion Sidious = 7 random Sith stems from?

Explain.

Being able to effortlessly murder 7 of them with the Force demonstrates an impeccable level of power that's right up there with other powerhouses.

It's a good feat, just doesn't tell me much without a frame of reference.

Or, more specifically, without powerscaling or playing some connect the dots, I fail to see why this is so amazing.

Connect those dots for me, given this is your argument.

Powerhouses who I can't see Sidious as being over twice as powerful than. Sidious isn't that far ahead of someone like Traya.

An entire line wasted on argument from belief, really?

A good half-dozen years of debating on these topics and exhaustively determining Sidious and Traya's respective places in the mythos in terms of power?

Then fill in the uninitiated :maybe

Traya smacked around and insta-killed 3 Jedi Council Members, murdered 7 Sith assassins at once with ease, had incredibly advanced telepathic and telekinetic abilities and was more powerful than the Jedi Exile who turned the Trayas Academy into a charnel house.

You're telling me nothing I don't know. Funnily enough, most of my knowledge base IS KOTOR/TOR/Tales of the Jedi and all :maybe

Now, let's play connect the dots, why's this so impressive compared to what Sidious has accomplished?

She is very powerful and much more than a drop in a bucket compared to Sidious. Sure he might still be capable of choking the shit out of her like he did to Dooku. But there's no way he eclipses her as thoroughly as you think.

Not sure why you latched onto the hyperbole when the only thing you needed to take away from it was that someone with Sidious' power could resist the technique solely through having better reserves of force power to draw upon, thus requiring Traya to drain him for more than an instant.

Also, again, theres reasons to think it isn't a drain.

And you'll explain why?

Because that seems to be an issue here :maybe

Debate kind of requires me understanding why for proper discussion to occur.

She actually hasn't shown a limit. There's a limit to what she's shown, but simply because she hasn't demonstrated greater than that doesn't mean she cannot exceed her efforts. Particularly since she showed no effort while draining the Jedi Masters and since she would have grown more powerful after performing that feat.

No, she has, if only in the sense it's all we have to work with.

Just because she hasn't shown greater, doesn't mean we should assume she can do more and all.

That'd be an appeal to ignorance, specifically the variation dubbed "no limits fallacy".

Originally posted by The_Tempest

Stop mocking Sidious and his defenders. It's hypocritical and pretty shitty.

I want to clarify?

I support Star Wars

Not Sidious :maybe

Hell, if I were to pick favorites, Sidious isn't even making the top... 20?

Revan is more my thing :maybe

That said, I don't mind a few ineffectual barbs from people I'm talking to online, especially over something as silly as fictional character battles

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Stop mocking Sidious and his defenders. It's hypocritical and pretty shitty.

Originally posted by Zampanó

Now, why am I replying to you instead of ChaosTheory?

I'd have gone with "I don't feel like it" myself

Your explanation works too

Either way, you're not exactly obligated to respond to me and all that fun shit, so no need to reference why you're not as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
I'd have gone with "I don't feel like it" myself

Your explanation works too

Either way, you're not exactly obligated to respond to me and all that fun shit, so no need to reference why you're not as far as I'm concerned.

[quote]Traya's power level is not "a drop in the ocean compared to the ocean that is Sidious."

As hyperbolic as the statement itself was?

Don't delude yourself chuckles.

Sidious conjures storms that devastate planetary surfaces, something laughably more draining and energy demanding than anything Traya has ever accomplished.
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See, this is the part that really crinkles my oatmeal. Like you know for a fact that devastating planetary surfaces is not actually a descriptor on the feat {conjures storms} that moderates the difficulty or energy draining nature of Force Storm in the slightest. Book of Sith says Sidious summons them "with a thought" and we see in DE that the destruction rages on without continuous input from Sidious himself. If anything, Force Storm is a control feat, not a strength feat.

To then turn around and say that {destroys planet surfaces} is the indicator of power that you're interested in is disingenuous sophistry of the worst kind, and a tactic that I won't let you hide behind.

The rest of your post falls under Neph's argument so I'm trying to stay out of it other than asserting that Neph is correct.

Tempest
Stop mocking

Originally posted by Zampanó
See, this is the part that really crinkles my oatmeal.[/B]

You're preaching to a guy that finds petty schadenfreude infinitely amusing FYI

You're probably better off not saying this :maybe

Like you know for a fact that devastating planetary surfaces is not actually a descriptor on the feat {conjures storms} that moderates the difficulty or energy draining nature of Force Storm in the slightest.

No, I don't really

I don't actually see a difference between something like this or any other generic energy attack from another fiction honestly

Other than the added "****s with space/time wormhole" bullshit

If you're stance is that the wormhole is some kind of hax, please actually show me why

Book of Sith says Sidious summons them "with a thought" and we see in DE that the destruction rages on without continuous input from Sidious himself. If anything, Force Storm is a control feat, not a strength feat.

Why exactly does he need to continuously input power into it to keep it present?

It could just as well be that the start up cost of initiating it far exceeds the output required to wreck shit, thus sticking around until all it's energy has been expended.

Feel free to point out why that's wrong though :maybe

To then turn around and say that {destroys planet surfaces} is the indicator of power that you're interested in is disingenuous sophistry of the worst kind, and a tactic that I won't let you hide behind.

Fluffy prose really is all you're good for, isn't it?

The rest of your post falls under Neph's argument so I'm trying to stay out of it other than asserting that Neph is correct.

So your board operates under the assumption Force Drain somehow has no limits to the power it can drain in an instant?

No, please, by all means fill me in on how that works :maybe

Originally posted by Eminence
As a general query, when did this disconcerting thing become a thing?

See, this is the part that really crinkles my oatmeal.

Spit out my water twice laughing at these two comments.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That depends how much prestige you ascribe to feats. ChaosTheory is right: it's a feat in vast excess of what most Force users have demonstrated or are capable of and to claim or insinuate otherwise is silly.

One of the top tier force users has feats vastly above most force users? You don't say. I said that it's a good feat, it just isn't to the degree's that ChaosTheory is saying. Would you call Traya a drop in the ocean compared to Sidious?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not speaking for anyone. Your behavior indicates that you're laboring under the delusion that Badabing is limiting his pronouncements to specific users and with regards to specific characters. But he made it pretty clear that none of that behavior will be tolerated from anyone. Not from carthage, and not from you.

Stop mocking Sidious and his defenders. It's hypocritical and pretty shitty.

You said that Bada won't tolerate my behavior. How is that not speaking for him? I'm not mocking Sidious in the slightest. That you see any dissenting opinion about Sidious' power as an attack speaks of the fragility of your beliefs though tbh. I don't see myself as exempt from mod action, I just know that my behavior isn't even close to problematic. That you seem desperate to get me into trouble does uh, trouble me though. I suggest you calm down.

Originally posted by Zampanó
See, this is the part that really crinkles my oatmeal. Like you know for a fact that devastating planetary surfaces is not actually a descriptor on the feat {conjures storms} that moderates the difficulty or energy draining nature of Force Storm in the slightest. Book of Sith says Sidious summons them "with a thought" and we see in DE that the destruction rages on without continuous input from Sidious himself. If anything, Force Storm is a control feat, not a strength feat.

To then turn around and say that {destroys planet surfaces} is the indicator of power that you're interested in is disingenuous sophistry of the worst kind, and a tactic that I won't let you hide behind.
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Both the Dark Empire handbook and the graphic novel itself depict that Palpatine creates and controls the Force Storms. He does not magically pull it out of his with a Sith ritual or use magic to create it, his power, his "rage" and anger, are even stated to be in the narrative exposition the power source behind the Force Storm.

Originally posted by Dark Empire handbook
Emperor Palpatine was very proud of his ability to create and control the hyperspace wormholes.

Its a feat of power as much of it is of fine control or precision. I would post the scan from the handbook but apparently I have a limit on images or links I can post as of late.

Originally posted by Nephthys
One of the top tier force users has feats vastly above most force users? You don't say. I said that it's a good feat, it just isn't to the degree's that ChaosTheory is saying. Would [b]you call Traya a drop in the ocean compared to Sidious?
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I'm not particularly a fan of it either

My sense of scale however is tempered by different tools for debate than you all seem to be accustomed to

Still not the point of this thread

I'm asking if you all seem to genuinely believe Force Drain can drain any amount of energy instantly with no limits

Which is kind of the impression I'm getting

Thus I ask to understand WHY

Mostly because I'm bored and Ant drew my attention to the curiosity.

**** me I suppose for trying to model this question with a hypothetical you all could relate to and possibly understand in context though :maybe

Originally posted by Nephthys
One of the top tier force users has feats vastly above most force users? You don't say. I said that it's a good feat, it just isn't to the degree's that ChaosTheory is saying. Would [b]you call Traya a drop in the ocean compared to Sidious?
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You never responded to my post earlier in the thread. No one is claiming Traya isn't a repectable Force-User in terms of skill or power, but there is a huge gulf between her and Sidious.

Let me know when she force-drains entire worlds, disables the precognitive abilities of the entire Jedi Order, and surpass even with her mere presence alone the ambient energy to affect the weather system of entire worlds on a global scale.

She ate four Jedi Master with Force Drain? Cool.

Sidious did it to a planet of 20 billion. So color anyone else skeptical of the claim that even if Traya fired off a force-drain attack on Sidious, its not going to kill him.

Most people who know the technique know how to defend against it and ultimately, most of this board seems to invoke a no limits argument and abuse it for her or others as a catch-all victory strategy.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
I'm not particularly a fan of it either

My sense of scale however is tempered by different tools for debate than you all seem to be accustomed to

Still not the point of this thread

I'm asking if you all seem to genuinely believe Force Drain can drain any amount of energy instantly with no limits

Which is kind of the impression I'm getting

Thus I ask to understand WHY

Mostly because I'm bored and Ant drew my attention to the curiosity.

**** me I suppose for trying to model this question with a hypothetical you all could relate to and possibly understand in context though :maybe

But it is kind of vital to the argument that you were making. That is, that Sidious is so hilariously above Traya that he wouldn't even notice or be affected by her drain. I don't see that as the case, hence why I still regard the drain as a big shiny "I win" button. If even someone as powerful as Sidious isn't so far above Traya (or Nihilus) that he wouldn't still be defeated by it, then I find no issue with continuing to regard it as an insta-win ability in threads. It may not instantly defeat someone, but Traya still has instantly won by using it.

Now the One's, I would definitely agree that Traya couldn't drain enough quick enough to avoid being popped like a cherry. But for almost all regular force users, that doesn't apply.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But it is kind of vital to the argument that you were making.

It wasn't really all that vital though, because it became incredibly apparent my framing device didn't work to convey the initial intent of this thread

I tried to correct that a few times in my posts during this derailment in fact :maybe

Now the One's, I would definitely agree that Traya couldn't drain enough quick enough to avoid being popped like a cherry. But for almost all regular force users, that doesn't apply.

This

This was all I was looking for

Ant said you all seem to think it's an instant win, I was curious of what sort of context and to what extremes you all were pushing it

Even if the benchmark from board to board isn't the same, I'm happy to note some form of sense seems to exist :maybe

So should I still respond to your big post or....

Originally posted by Kallig
You never responded to my post earlier in the thread. No one is claiming Traya isn't a repectable Force-User in terms of skill or power, but there is a huge gulf between her and Sidious.

Let me know when she force-drains entire worlds, disables the precognitive abilities of the entire Jedi Order, and surpass even with her mere presence alone the ambient energy to affect the weather system of entire worlds on a global scale.

She ate four Jedi Master with Force Drain? Cool.

Sidious did it to a planet of 20 billion. So color anyone else skeptical of the claim that even if Traya fired off a force-drain attack on Sidious, its not going to kill him.

Most people who know the technique know how to defend against it and ultimately, most of this board seems to invoke a no limits argument and abuse it for her or others as a catch-all victory strategy.

And I didn't suggest there wasn't a huge gulf between her and Sidious. Just that it isn't so vast that he wouldn't be affected by her attack or that he's like 5 times as powerful as her. He isn't. I wouldn't even say he's twice her.

Sidious' drain of Byss happened off-screen over an unknown period of time through an unknown method with an unknown amount of preparation and aid. It isn't a quantifiable feat and it doesn't establish how much more powerful he is than Traya.

Also you're wrong, no one knows how to defend against it. Traya specifically states there's no defense. The Exile resisted Nihilus' drain because of her unique nature and from being his exact opposite but other than that they only method of resistance is the fanon theory that Ulic Qel'Droma's technique for resisting the Dark Reaper could also work against the Kotor 2 drain.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So should I still respond to your big post or....

And I didn't suggest there wasn't a huge gulf between her and Sidious. Just that it isn't so vast that he wouldn't be affected by her attack or that he's like 5 times as powerful as her. He isn't. I wouldn't even say he's twice her.

The fact that TPM Sidious is equal to Darth Plagueis who possess several fold more energy then her suggests he is more then "twice" as powerful as Traya.

Sidious' drain of Byss happened off-screen over an unknown period of time through an unknown method with an unknown amount of preparation and aid. It isn't a quantifiable feat and it doesn't establish how much more powerful he is than Traya.

Its stated and clarified in the Star Wars Atlas, and occurs after the events of the Battle of Endor in RoTJ. And on top of which, there is no indication of magic, rituals, or prep required and its explicitly clarified as "slow" because Palpatine wanted to feast on the planet as he drained it.

Originally posted by Star Wars Atlas - Byss entry
To many in the galaxy Byss was a myth-a mysterious paradise ruled by Emperor Palpatine as his personal retreat, where the Empire's most loyal subjects lived lives of idle leisure. And, in fact, Byss was once a lush and fertile planet---but it became a terrible trap, corrupted by the hellish energies of the dark side.

After choosing Byss as his resort world, Palpatine lured eager nobles to the planet---then used his dark powers to enslave its people, channeling their life energies for use in his own vile experiments within the fell Imperial Citadel. Most of Byss' inhabitants lived in a dream-like state, their offworld communications censored.

Yeah, don't think so.

Also you're wrong, no one knows how to defend against it. Traya specifically states there's no defense.

Luke defended against a Force-Drain from both Abeloth and Darth Krayt in Fate of the Jedi. Traya is not omniscient and is fallible. Exar Kun, Sadow, Marka Ragnos, Tulak Hord, and Kallig all state and show that power can be matched or defeated.

Ergast developed an off-shoot ability based off Tulak Hord's unique Force-devouring technique with the Force Walk and explains it can be learned and used in both offense and defense. Traya also originally claims only people with affinity for Force-Drain can use the technique but Ergast and other ancient Sith contradict her.

Not buying it.

Sorry, too much material contradicts Traya's claim.

The Exile resisted Nihilus' drain because of her unique nature and from being his exact opposite but other than that they only method of resistance is the fanon theory that Ulic Qel'Droma's technique for resisting the Dark Reaper could also work against the Kotor 2 drain.

Anakin also resisted the Dark Reaper, and the technique could actually be taught. You're just claiming no limits on the Force Drain ability and its clearly untrue.

Originally posted by Kallig
Luke defended against a Force-Drain from both Abeloth and Darth Krayt in Fate of the Jedi.

"Then Luke felt an icy twinge between his shoulder blades. The twinge became a sting, and he began to feel something cold flowing down the center of his back. His first thought was Abeloth, that she had sunk a tentacle into his spine-until the lashing of her tentacles slowed and she began to shudder. Luke did not understand until an eternity later, when the stranger rolled up on his feet and jerked them all to a halt. The Sith seemed to be growing stronger as Abeloth grew weaker, and there were wisps of dark fume swirling off his shoulders and head. It did not take a Jedi Grand Master to understand that Luke was being betrayed by a Force-draining technique... Despite the Sith's words, the cold stinging inside began to subside, and Luke realized the stranger was not pulling as hard. Abeloth continued to struggle, slipping a pair of tentacles around Luke's throat and trying to tear herself free. But she was growing weak faster than Luke. The draining seemed to continue for days; then the stranger threw back his head and screamed in anguish, and it suddenly seemed that only a breath had passed. Shiny black Force energy began to pour from the Sith's wounds into the lake, spreading outward around them in an oily slick so hot the water began to steam and hiss. Still, the stranger continued to drain Abeloth, and Luke realized that he was not being betrayed-the Sith was suffering as much damage from the attack as was Luke."
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

"Then she was gone, leaving the stranger and Luke with nothing between them but twenty centimeters of space and the stump of the Sith's hand, now pointed at Luke's chest and still drawing Force energy, draining it not from Abeloth now, but directly from Luke. They stayed like that for an eternity, a void of cold nothingness growing inside Luke as the stranger continued to hang in the air above, draining him. It seemed to Luke that the Sith's betrayal was premature, that they at least ought to make certain Abeloth was truly dead before they turned to fighting each otherÿ...ÿbut that was not the way Sith did things."
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lol no he didn't. Educate yourself and read some Star Wars lore. Comprehend:

If you are going to tell someone to "educate themselves", you might want to not try and snip out the relevant parts of the fight and cherry pick a segment in a novel to attack another on.

The white points at the bottom of Abeloth’s eyes flared into nests of blue lightning, which kept growing larger and flashing brighter until they finally spilled out of the sockets to engulf her whole head. Luke hurled another blast of Force energy in her direction, then braced himself to take the most devastating counterattack yet. The counterattack never came.

Instead, the Force blast rocked Abeloth up on one leg, where she hung teetering over the Lake of Apparitions for a thousand heartbeats. Luke’s chest was a searing ache around a fist-sized scorch hole, and his Force essence was bleeding out from a dozen smaller wounds, leaving a crescent of twinkling light spread across the dark water.

He sprang anyway. Abeloth only seemed to sag, and it appeared that she might tumble into the water in the eternity it was taking to reach her. But that would have been too easy. Luke and the Sith stranger had been hurling Force attacks at her for a lifetime—or perhaps it was a mere eyeblink—and this was the first time she had shown any reaction.

Then Luke was there at Abeloth’s side, stomp-kicking her legs, knife-handing her throat, grabbing for her head. It was like cotton striking gauze—no popping ligaments or crunching cartilage, just Force essence pushing into Force essence. But the damage was done. Luke’s foot went through Abeloth’s knee; her leg buckled.

His hand sank into her larynx, and she drew back wheezing. He pivoted around behind her, swinging one arm around her shoulder and grabbing for her chin, slipping the other arm up under hers and pressing his wrist into her neck. But grappling was different beyond shadows. There were no pressure points or joint locks or choke holds, only his presence merging with hers, binding him to her in a writhing knot of energy.

Tentacles began to lash at his face, probing for his nose and ears and mouth. A pair of gray tips shot into view, blurring and growing large. Luke closed both eyes
and turned away, but not quickly enough. The right eye socket exploded in pain, and everything went dark on that side of his head. and turned away, but not quickly enough.

The right eye socket exploded in pain, and everything went dark on that side of his head. The tattooed stranger stepped in from the left, then slid to the front and drove his stiffened fingers deep into the pit of Abeloth’s stomach. A black spray erupted
from the wound, and she writhed in pain as the stranger probed for something to grab.

Abeloth loosed a Force blast, trying to drive the stranger off. He held tight. So did Luke, and all three went tumbling across the lake in a snarled mass of limbs and tentacles. Then Luke felt an icy twinge between his shoulder blades. The twinge became a sting, and he began to feel something cold flowing down the center of his back.
His first thought was Abeloth, that she had sunk a tentacle into his spine—until
the lashing of her tentacles slowed and she began to shudder.

Luke did not understand until an eternity later, when the stranger rolled up on his feet and jerked them all to a halt. The Sith seemed to be growing stronger as
Abeloth grew weaker, and there were wisps of dark fume swirling off his shoulders and head. It did not take a Jedi Grand Master to understand that Luke was being betrayed by a Force-draining technique.

Still holding Abeloth tight, Luke shifted his hips, rolling them both onto their sides, and kicked a foot through the stranger’s knee. The joint buckled, and the Sith dropped onto the surface of the dark water, still on the opposite side of Abeloth from Luke.
“I’ll release her!” Luke warned.
“Abeloth?” The stranger shook his head. “Never.”

Despite the Sith’s words, the cold stinging inside began to subside, and Luke realized the stranger was not pulling as hard. Abeloth continued to struggle, slipping a pair of tentacles around Luke’s throat and trying to tear herself free. But she was growing weak faster than Luke.

The draining seemed to continue for days; then the stranger threw back his head and screamed in anguish, and it suddenly seemed that only a breath had passed. Shiny black Force energy began to pour from the Sith’s wounds into the lake, spreading outward around them in an oily slick so hot the water began to steam and hiss.

Still, the stranger continued to drain Abeloth, and Luke realized that he was not being betrayed—the Sith was suffering as much damage from the attack as was Luke.

Abeloth whipped her chin free of Luke’s hand, ripping the energy knot where they had joined and sending a sparkling line of both of their Force essences
splattering across the surface of the lake. She began to roll her head around, gnashing and spitting, trying to sink her fangs into Luke’s arm or the stranger’s—anything she could reach.

Luke slipped his arm down around her throat and pulled hard, merging his form into hers, doing his best to keep her under control.

“Keep going,” Luke urged the stranger. “Pull harder!

I merely quoted the parts that involved the Force Drain. You quoted the entire fight, but no where does it say Luke defended against such Force Drain. What a failure. 👆