Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You can't be both being affected and resisting it. 😬 Your argument gets more crappier every post you make.
Yes you can.
Look at Luke and Kam Solusar in Dark Empire getting attacked by Sedriss and another Dark Adept's Force-Choke before Luke and Kam both brush it off and remove the dark sider's telekinetic attack.
@Sasukedc That's Force Lightning @Kallig Force Telekinesis, not Force Drain. 😉 I mean, based on the text never stating Luke formed any protection against the drain, and rather his only defense to it was trying to get Krayt to stop draining him, nothing suggests Luke was actively being affected and resisting it: but rather just the first. 😬
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You can't be both being affected and resisting it. 😬 Your argument gets more crappier every post you make.
Never played an RPG have you? :maybe
Partial resistance is a thing, which is what I think he's going for
Sort of like how in an RPG a given creature might possess 50% resistance to a given element or spell and take less damage
That kind of thing can possibly be inferred here by the weaker rate of consumption
I think
That's what I took away from the end of the passage without additional context anyway
So you conveniently ignore that Luke is physically holding and restraining Abeloth, and is still capable of resisting his Force-Drain, can use the Force, and can break Krayt's leg and say his only defense is "asking" Krayt to remove it when in the same passage Luke is gathering Force to use another Force Blast on Krayt after breaking his leg?
You have a shoddy way of looking at things.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Never played an RPG have you? :maybePartial resistance is a thing, which is what I think he's going for
Sort of like how in an RPG a given creature might possess 50% resistance to a given element or spell and take less damage
That kind of thing can possibly be inferred here by the weaker rate of consumption
I think
That's what I took away from the end of the passage without additional context anyway
Originally posted by Kallig
So you conveniently ignore that Luke is physically holding and restraining Abeloth, and is still capable of resisting his Force-Drain, can use the Force, and can break Krayt's leg and say his only defense is "asking" Krayt to remove it when in the same passage Luke is gathering Force to use another Force Blast on Krayt after breaking his leg?
Originally posted by Zampanó
See, this is the part that really crinkles my oatmeal. Like you know for a fact that devastating planetary surfaces is not actually a descriptor on the feat {conjures storms} that moderates the difficulty or energy draining nature of Force Storm in the slightest. Book of Sith says Sidious summons them "with a thought" and we see in DE that the destruction rages on without continuous input from Sidious himself. If anything, Force Storm is a control feat, [b]not a strength feat.To then turn around and say that {destroys planet surfaces} is the indicator of power that you're interested in is disingenuous sophistry of the worst kind, and a tactic that I won't let you hide behind.
The rest of your post falls under Neph's argument so I'm trying to stay out of it other than asserting that Neph is correct. [/B]
What? Lol
The energy Sidious summons to rip holes in the fabric of space belong to Sidious. It's a display of sheer raw power which he has at his disposal just as the endnotes indicate (can't quote verbatim; don't have access to the source ATM). Tearing surfaces off worlds doesn't match the raw power required in tearing holes in the very fabric of space/time.
Don't know what you're trying to get at here, but yes it is display of raw power/strength and control. To insinuate it's just a display of control when just about every source concludes otherwise, is lowballing the feat. I can provide sources later.
Sidious has fodderized characters, who exceed Traya in power. That's not lowballing her.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Luke trying to Force Blast Krayt was in effort to get Krayt to stop draining him, proving he couldn't form any sort of energy barrier to defend himself.
Where does it prove anything? Luke notes the drain is working less effectively against him and has no issue using and summoning Force energy to battle Krayt, which in context, if he was completely affected by the Force-Drain he wouldn't be able to fight Krayt off or attack at all.
So no, occam's razor says your wrong.
Originally posted by Kallig
Luke notes the drain is working less effectively against him and has no issue using.
and summoning Force energy to battle Krayt, which in context
if he was completely affected by the Force-Drain he wouldn't be able to fight Krayt off or attack at all.
[Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Like I said earlier, this is because Darth Krayt was specifically trying to drain Abeloth, and even had his hands inside of her during it.
No, he was actively draining both Luke and Abeloth. He was not being discriminatory at all, he was hitting both of them.
Not proof at all. Dark Jedi can summon Force energy while being drained by someone as powerful as Darth Nihilus.
Those Dark Jedi like with Nihilus' Sith assassins and Sith troopers, were influenced and likely bolstered by his power on the Ravager which your own quote with Traya has torpedoing your claim with this, who are trying to stop Meetra and friends. Or are you going to claim that Tobin possessing his will makes him a high tier SW character?
No, for Darth Krayt was draining him slowly and for majority of the fight indirectly. Luke's Force energy was slowly leaving him.
You are being distinctly not only dishonest but outright lying at this point.
Luke is prepared to kill Krayt as soon as he's no longer burdened by restraining and concentrating against fighting Abeloth. As soon as Abeloth is removed as a factor temporarily, Krayt with his broken leg and realizing Luke can use the Force relents and stops trying to leech the Force from Luke whose resisting it and can generate powerful attacks still.
So let's recap again since you seem to have an elementary issue with this:
- Luke is physically restraining Abeloth
- Krayt is actively force-draining both Luke and Abeloth at the same time
- Luke while still holding down Abeloth breaks one of Krayt's legs and drops him to the ground and shows resistance to said Force-Drain
- Abeloth is able to temporarily retreat and escape both Krayt's Force-Drain and Luke hold
- As soon as Luke is free to properly defend himself and attack Krayt, Krayt relents on the Force-Drain against Luke and focuses on Abeloth as he realizes Luke is prepared to kill him with a Force-Blast
- Nothing in the narrative states Krayt saped Luke of his strength after the initial reaction to being Force-Drained
Try again buddy.
You know, if we use physics then Palpatine is a Universe buster~ To make a Wormhole that's 1 millionth the size of a proton requires the 1 hour of the power generation from 10 billion Stars. To make one the size of a Starship that's as big as the Enterprise-D requires more energy than the entire Universe.
No, he was actively draining both Luke and Abeloth. He was not being discriminatory at all, he was hitting both of them.
"The tattooed stranger stepped in from the left, then slid to the front and drove his stiffened fingers deep into the pit of Abeloth's stomach. A black spray erupted from the wound, and she writhed in pain as the stranger probed for something to grab."
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse [1]
"And the only one who can help you," the stranger said. "With the Ones gone, there is only one way to stop Abeloth...Jedi and Sith together."
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse [2]
"Keep going," Luke urged the stranger. "Pull harder!"
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse [3]
Those Dark Jedi like with Nihilus' Sith assassins and Sith troopers, were influenced and likely bolstered by his power on the Ravager which your own quote with Traya has torpedoing your claim with this, who are trying to stop Meetra and friends. Or are you going to claim that Tobin possessing his will makes him a high tier SW character?
- Luke is physically restraining Abeloth
- Krayt is actively force-draining both Luke and Abeloth at the same time
Abeloth is able to temporarily retreat and escape both Krayt's Force-Drain and Luke hold
- As soon as Luke is free to properly defend himself and attack Krayt, Krayt relents on the Force-Drain against Luke and focuses on Abeloth as he realizes Luke is prepared to kill him with a Force-Blast
"Then she was gone, leaving the stranger and Luke with nothing between them but twenty centimeters of space and the stump of the Sith's hand, now pointed at Luke's chest and still drawing Force energy, draining it not from Abeloth now, but directly from Luke. They stayed like that for an eternity, a void of cold nothingness growing inside Luke as the stranger continued to hang in the air above, draining him. It seemed to Luke that the Sith's betrayal was premature, that they at least ought to make certain Abeloth was truly dead before they turned to fighting each otherÿ...ÿbut that was not the way Sith did things. Luke started to bring his hand up, intending to hit the stranger with a Force blast. But before he could loose it, the Sith's feet dropped to the water's surface, and he raised his stump and pointed toward the far end of the lake. "There!" Luke craned his neck and saw Abeloth's silhouette backing into the Mists of Forgetfulness-with the stranger's wrist still protruding from her chest. "Stop her!" Luke yelled. "If she disappears into that fogÿ..."
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse [4]
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Incorrect. Darth Krayt jammed his fingered deep within Abeloth[1], easily being discriminatory to her. Krayt specifically states his goal is to kill Abeloth, not Luke [2]. Luke even encourages Krayt to continue to drain her [3]."The tattooed stranger stepped in from the left, then slid to the front and drove his stiffened fingers deep into the pit of Abeloth's stomach. A black spray erupted from the wound, and she writhed in pain as the stranger probed for something to grab."
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse [1]"And the only one who can help you," the stranger said. "With the Ones gone, there is only one way to stop Abeloth...Jedi and Sith together."
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse [2]"Keep going," Luke urged the stranger. "Pull harder!"
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse [3]I have no clue what you said here. The way you speak is super annoying.
Never denied this. Impressive strength feat for Luke. 👆
[b][u]Krayt was focusing on Abeloth while Luke was restraining her.[b][u] 👇
And? 😬
Luke defending himself from the Force Drain by trying to blast Krayt with TK[4] is not a feat for Luke resisting Force Drain. What kind of BS does your forum feed you?
"Then she was gone, leaving the stranger and Luke with nothing between them but twenty centimeters of space and the stump of the Sith's hand, now pointed at Luke's chest and still drawing Force energy, draining it not from Abeloth now, but directly from Luke. They stayed like that for an eternity, a void of cold nothingness growing inside Luke as the stranger continued to hang in the air above, draining him. It seemed to Luke that the Sith's betrayal was premature, that they at least ought to make certain Abeloth was truly dead before they turned to fighting each otherÿ...ÿbut that was not the way Sith did things. Luke started to bring his hand up, intending to hit the stranger with a Force blast. But before he could loose it, the Sith's feet dropped to the water's surface, and he raised his stump and pointed toward the far end of the lake. "There!" Luke craned his neck and saw Abeloth's silhouette backing into the Mists of Forgetfulness-with the stranger's wrist still protruding from her chest. "Stop her!" Luke yelled. "If she disappears into that fogÿ..."
--Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse [4]
Well... that's interesting...
Originally posted by Kallig
Luke is prepared to kill him with a Force-Blast
- Nothing in the narrative states Krayt saped Luke of his strength after the initial reaction to being Force-Drained
Nah, after the battle it describes Luke slowly regaining his lost energy: "Luke felt his energy and his determination come rushing back."
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
*snip*
The white points at the bottom of Abeloth’s eyes flared into nests of blue lightning, which kept growing larger and flashing brighter until they finally spilled out of the sockets to engulf her whole head. Luke hurled another blast of Force energy in her direction, then braced himself to take the most devastating counterattack yet. The counterattack never came.Instead, the Force blast rocked Abeloth up on one leg, where she hung teetering over the Lake of Apparitions for a thousand heartbeats. Luke’s chest was a searing ache around a fist-sized scorch hole, and his Force essence was bleeding out from a dozen smaller wounds, leaving a crescent of twinkling light spread across the dark water.
He sprang anyway. Abeloth only seemed to sag, and it appeared that she might tumble into the water in the eternity it was taking to reach her. But that would have been too easy. Luke and the Sith stranger had been hurling Force attacks at her for a lifetime—or perhaps it was a mere eyeblink—and this was the first time she had shown any reaction.
Then Luke was there at Abeloth’s side, stomp-kicking her legs, knife-handing her throat, grabbing for her head. It was like cotton striking gauze—no popping ligaments or crunching cartilage, just Force essence pushing into Force essence. But the damage was done. Luke’s foot went through Abeloth’s knee; her leg buckled.
His hand sank into her larynx, and she drew back wheezing. He pivoted around behind her, swinging one arm around her shoulder and grabbing for her chin, slipping the other arm up under hers and pressing his wrist into her neck. But grappling was different beyond shadows. There were no pressure points or joint locks or choke holds, only his presence merging with hers, binding him to her in a writhing knot of energy.
Tentacles began to lash at his face, probing for his nose and ears and mouth. A pair of gray tips shot into view, blurring and growing large. Luke closed both eyes
and turned away, but not quickly enough. The right eye socket exploded in pain, and everything went dark on that side of his head. and turned away, but not quickly enough.The right eye socket exploded in pain, and everything went dark on that side of his head. The tattooed stranger stepped in from the left, then slid to the front and drove his stiffened fingers deep into the pit of Abeloth’s stomach. A black spray erupted from the wound, and she writhed in pain as the stranger probed for something to grab.
Abeloth loosed a Force blast, trying to drive the stranger off. He held tight. So did Luke, and all three went tumbling across the lake in a snarled mass of limbs and tentacles. Then Luke felt an icy twinge between his shoulder blades. The twinge became a sting, and he began to feel something cold flowing down the center of his back.
His first thought was Abeloth, that she had sunk a tentacle into his spine—until
the lashing of her tentacles slowed and she began to shudder.Luke did not understand until an eternity later, when the stranger rolled up on his feet and jerked them all to a halt. The Sith seemed to be growing stronger as
Abeloth grew weaker, and there were wisps of dark fume swirling off his shoulders and head. It did not take a Jedi Grand Master to understand that Luke was being betrayed by a Force-draining technique.Still holding Abeloth tight, Luke shifted his hips, rolling them both onto their sides, and kicked a foot through the stranger’s knee. The joint buckled, and the Sith dropped onto the surface of the dark water, still on the opposite side of Abeloth from Luke.
“I’ll release her!” Luke warned.
“Abeloth?” The stranger shook his head. “Never.”Despite the Sith’s words, the cold stinging inside began to subside, and Luke realized the stranger was not pulling as hard. Abeloth continued to struggle, slipping a pair of tentacles around Luke’s throat and trying to tear herself free. But she was growing weak faster than Luke.
The draining seemed to continue for days; then the stranger threw back his head and screamed in anguish, and it suddenly seemed that only a breath had passed. Shiny black Force energy began to pour from the Sith’s wounds into the lake, spreading outward around them in an oily slick so hot the water began to steam and hiss.
Still, the stranger continued to drain Abeloth, and Luke realized that he was not being betrayed—the Sith was suffering as much damage from the attack as was Luke.
Abeloth whipped her chin free of Luke’s hand, ripping the energy knot where they had joined and sending a sparkling line of both of their Force essences
splattering across the surface of the lake. She began to roll her head around, gnashing and spitting, trying to sink her fangs into Luke’s arm or the stranger’s—anything she could reach.Luke slipped his arm down around her throat and pulled hard, merging his form into hers, doing his best to keep her under control.
“Keep going,” Luke urged the stranger. “Pull harder!
Bolded clearly shows Krayt was hitting both Abeloth and Luke with the Force-Drain at the same time. I'm tired of repeating and going in circles with someone as obstinate as you.
But I suggest you work on your reading comprehension and not try the awful freshmen tier ad hominems. You have no idea what your talking about.