Force Drain: How's it work?

You got called out for trying to snipe taking a scene out of context. You're in no position to talk about anyone else's failure, mate.

Also:

Luke did not understand until an eternity later, when the stranger rolled up on his feet and jerked them all to a halt. The Sith seemed to be growing stronger as
Abeloth grew weaker, and there were wisps of dark fume swirling off his shoulders and head. It did not take a Jedi Grand Master to understand that Luke was being betrayed by a Force-draining technique.

Still holding Abeloth tight, Luke shifted his hips, rolling them both onto their sides, and kicked a foot through the stranger’s knee. The joint buckled, and the Sith dropped onto the surface of the dark water, still on the opposite side of Abeloth from Luke.
“I’ll release her!” Luke warned.
“Abeloth?” The stranger shook his head. “Never.”

Despite the Sith’s words, the cold stinging inside began to subside, and Luke realized the stranger was not pulling as hard. Abeloth continued to struggle, slipping a pair of tentacles around Luke’s throat and trying to tear herself free. But she was growing weak faster than Luke.

>kicked out Krayt's knee
>breaking the joint
>able to actively move while being actively targeted and attacked by the Force Drain from Krayt

Nah, really don't think so.

@ first post before edit Lmfao, what the **** are you talking about? I use the appropriate shit of the battle that talked about Force Drain. What was I suppose to do, quote the entire passage when only referencing to a few short lines? That's not how we do things here. Now, go make fetch me something to drink before I lose interest in you entirely. You are dismissed.

That's a lot of nothing but empty wind there, mate. You were dishonest, and called out on it. You delibartely ignored the segment where Luke while restraining Abeloth, is capable of hitting and injuring Krayt with a ****ing kick while under attack from his Force-Drain.

You are in no position to talk about anyone's credibility, dude.

>You are dismissed

Uh huh.

Originally posted by Kallig
>kicked out Krayt's knee
>breaking the joint
>able to actively move while being actively targeted and attacked by the Force Drain from Krayt

Nah, really don't think so.

Originally posted by Kallig
That's a lot of nothing but empty wind there, mate. You were dishonest, and called out on it..

Where is the text? Because the quote going after your passage says otherwise.

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>Dishonest?

So you don't find it dishonest how you ignored Luke's ability to actively fight off the Force-Drain and attack Krayt as being relevant to the statement I made earlier of Luke able to defend against it and not fall to a Force-Drain attack?

You really are something.

Originally posted by Kallig
Where is the text? Because the quote going after your passage says otherwise.

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>Dishonest?

So you don't find it dishonest how you ignored Luke's ability to actively fight off the Force-Drain and attack Krayt as being relevant to the statement I made earlier of Luke able to defend against it and not fall to a Force-Drain attack?

You really are something.

The passage explicitly states that Abeloth was draining faster and Luke was capable of activley harming Krayt to the point he broke his leg. So yes, you were wrong all the same.

Every other depication of Force-Drain has show the victim if unable to resist, completely paraylzed and dying instantly. So either Krayt sucks ass at Force-Draining or Luke was actively defending against it after realizing Krayt was targeting him.

Then she was gone, leaving the stranger and Luke with nothing between them but twenty centimeters of space and the stump of the Sith's hand, now pointed at Luke’s chest and still drawing Force energy, draining it not from Abeloth now, but directly from Luke.

They stayed like that for an eternity, a void of cold nothingness growing inside Luke as the stranger continued to hang in the air above, draining him. It seemed to Luke that the Sith’s betrayal was premature, that they at least ought to make certain Abeloth was truly dead before they turned to fighting each other…but that was not the way Sith did things.

Luke started to bring his hand up, intending to hit the stranger with a Force blast. But before he could loose it, the Sith’s feet dropped to the water’s surface, and he raised his stump and pointed toward the far end of the lake.
“There!”
Luke craned his neck and saw Abeloth’s silhouette backing into the Mists of Forgetfulness—with the stranger’s wrist still protruding from her chest.

Look at that.
Either way the last passage agrees to nothing your claim about him not being able to defend against it.

Originally posted by Kallig
The passage explicitly states that Abeloth was draining faster and Luke was capable of activley harming Krayt to the point he broke his leg. So yes, you were wrong all the same.

Every other depication of Force-Drain has show the victim if unable to resist, completely paraylzed and dying instantly.

And Traya's draining of the the Jedi High Council? All depictions with Nihilus and the Exile? The fact that dealing with 8000 Sith Lords had Vitiate use a Sith spell to paraylze their minds then drain them?

Not seeing much contradiction and you still aren't addressing the fact Luke is actively able to use the Force while actively attacked by Krayt and under the influence of an offensive Foce-drain. So I'm gonna go with a resounding no.

So let's recap:

- Luke is able to actively move and counter-attack as well as injure and cripple Krayt when targeted with a Force-Drain and restraining Abeloth at the same time
- Luke is able to use the Force to generate Force energy attacks as noted as summoning a Force Blast to defend against Krayt when Abeloth temporarily disappears
- Luke notes the drain is not effective as him as it is against in Abeloth

Nah, buddy.

Originally posted by Kallig
And Traya's draining of the the Jedi High Council? All depictions with Nihilus and the Exile?

Originally posted by Kallig
The fact that dealing with 8000 Sith Lords had Vitiate use a Sith spell to paraylze their minds then drain them?

Originally posted by Kallig
Not seeing much contradiction and you still aren't addressing the fact Luke is actively able to use the Force while actively attacked by Krayt.

Originally posted by Kallig

- Luke is able to active move and counter-attack as well as injure and cripple Krayt when targeted with a Force-Drain and restraining Abeloth at the same time
- Luke is able to use the Force to generate Force energy attacks as noted as summoning a Force Blast to defend against Krayt when Abeloth temporarily disappears
- Luke notes the drain is not effective as him as it is against in Abeloth

Despite your belief, Force users can use Force attacks while being Force Drained. 👆

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
As Nephthys was trying to explain to you, Traya and the like use a variation of Force Drain unlike the other Sith Lords.

No, there is no variation in the Force Drain, only scope or lethality dependent on individual practitioners or users.

What? Vitiate drained them via a huge ritual.

Did you actually not read the Revan novel or did you merely skim through what the author wrote? The ritual to drain Nathema was performed by Vitiate and 8000 other Sith Lords. Then Vitiate mentally dominated the minds of the other Sith Lords and put all of the draining of the planet and civilization into his own self, thereby becoming immortal.

Revan only confirms he can do this after his power-up from said Nathema ritual, not beforehand by himself.

That's because you don't understand how Force Drain works. 👆

You've actually only proven you don't understand.

Erm, none of this qualifies as Luke resistance the effects of Force Drain. It might on your boards, but not here. Luke's method of trying to defend himself from the Force Drain was to do Force attacks of his own, not actually try to put up some sort of defense to resist the drain, which actually aids the canonical statements in the novelization stating that Luke was being affected by the Force Drain.

This is a whole lotta of semantics without any sort of actual rebuttal or working substance. There is not a single indication of anyone unable to resist a Force Drain being able to alternatively use the Force to defend or attack the person draining them. Luke is able to actively move around, use the Force, injure his attacker, and notes the drain is working weaker against him implying he's defending and resistant to it.

Despite your belief, Force users can use Force attacks while being Force Drained. 👆

So this is your finishing counter-argument? You were called out for sniping and manipulating the context of a segment in the final fight with Luke vs Abeloth vs Krayt in Fate of the Jedi and being dishonest, and you have nothing to show for it.

There is nothing in KoTOR II, TOR, or any other work that supports your claim or argument about this.

Oh and that tidbit with the Sith Emperor/Vitiate and Revan? That was because Revan was bloodly being amped and supported by Meetra Surik's spirit for 300 years the entire damn time. So yes, even that is circumspect because its damn obvious Revan would not have influenced Vitiate's mind during his drainings if Surik wasn't there with him for those centuries.

No, there is no variation in the Force Drain, only scope or lethality dependent on individual practitioners or users.

"And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."
―Darth Traya (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

So this is your finishing counter-argument? You were called out for sniping and manipulating the context of a segment in the final fight with Luke vs Abeloth vs Krayt in Fate of the Jedi and being dishonest, and you have nothing to show for it.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I disagree, but I feel Nephthys presents a better argument for this particular matter then I do.

Not really from what I've seen.

I don't recall denying this. The way you worded it got me confused, hence why I mentioned the ritual.

I don't recall you being open about it either. The Nathema ritual was a complex bit of sorcery which Vitiate needed and required the power of 8000 Sith Lords. He able to drain planets and populations by himself afterwards because of the tremendous power boosting.

There is probably at least a dozen, but probably the most notable are all the Sith on board the Ravager that Meetra Surik fought through who were using Force attacks.

What Sith? I just remember a small number of Sith soldiers and Tobin, and Visas being unique as Nihilus' shadow hand and connection to the Force whose the exception to the rule.

"And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."
―Darth Traya (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

Is this supposed to prove something? Quoting empty bits?

Lmfao. 🙄 Quoting passages that specifically state Luke was being influenced by the Force Drain is not manipulating the context.
Ignoring the fact the text states Luke was being slowly drained yet still trying to pull evidence he wasn't is manipulating the context. 👆
Unless you actually form a rebuttal for the canonical statements that say Krayt was draining Luke, no argument you could make is valid.

However deliberately ignoring and not posting the following passage showing Luke breaking Krayt's leg and able to use the Force shows he has high resistance and was actively defending against it, would be in my eyes and most others.

And you started this entire tangent claiming otherwise and trying to misrepresent the scene by only posting evidence of Krayt attacking Luke with the Force-Drain, and not posting the rest of it showing Luke resisting it and attacking Krayt.

So yes I find that to be dishonest.

The Nathema ritual was a complex sorcery which Vitiate needed and required the power of 8000 Sith Lords. He able to drain planets and populations by himself afterwards because of the tremenous power boosting.

What Sith? I just remember a small number of Sith soldiers and Tobin, and Visas being unique as Nihilus' shadow hand and connection to the Force whose the exception to the rule.

And you started this entire tangent claiming otherwise and trying to misrepresent the scene by only posting evidence of Krayt attacking Luke with the Force-Drain, and not posting the rest of it showing Luke resisting it and attacking Krayt.

>actively resisting Force-Drain and using the Force at the same time isn't resisting the Force-Drain
>Luke does this

So actually it is evidence of it. Now do you want to move the goal posts or try to strawman something else here? Because you don't have any evidence to contradict anything I said, and this back and forth is getting annoying.

How is the narrator noting, "Then Luke felt an icy twinge between his shoulder blades. The twinge became a sting, and he began to feel something cold flowing down the center of his back," and "They stayed like that for an eternity, a void of cold nothingness growing inside Luke as the stranger continued to hang in the air above, draining him," not permanent evidence Luke was affected by the drain? :facepalm:

Did I say Luke wasn't affected by the Force-Drain? Or did I say after he was being attacked with it he was capable of resisting it and attacking Krayt, which is showcased in the following passage?

You seem to look at the attack but not the portion of the exposition showing him fighting afterwards while resisting it. Work on that.

Originally posted by Kallig
Did I say Luke wasn't affected by the Force-Drain? Or did I say after he was being attacked with it he was capable of resisting it and attacking Krayt, which is showcased in the following passage?

Sure you can. Look at Maul vs Mighella.