Considering his original point was
Originally posted by Arhael
DE Luke is at the height of his power because he wasn't afraid of using Force heavily.
His argument demonstrates nothing other than Luke didn't use his full power very often, but he did use it whenever it mattered. The evidence only suggest he didn't use it casually. There is absolutely no indication to claim that Luke, unlike literally every Star Wars force wielding character, did somehow not progressed in power as he got older, or that he somehow lost power when he stopped using it casually.
Originally posted by zEniX
Considering his original point wasHis argument demonstrates nothing other than Luke didn't use his full power very often, but he did use it whenever it mattered. The evidence only suggest he didn't use it casually. There is absolutely no indication to claim that Luke, unlike literally every Star Wars force wielding character, did somehow not progressed in power as he got older, or that he somehow lost power when he stopped using it casually.
The only thing which would indicate Luke regressed in power is if you start with the DE comic itself. There is nothing in the quotes you mentioned which states he was weaker than he had been. In addition EVERY Jedi was portrayed as having a very hard time with the Vong at the start of the war in order to make them appear to be a significant threat.
As for your argument about Luke's training for 10 years making him equal to Sidious. It doesn't hold any weight. Sidious trained intensively under Plagueis for 10 years before he even ceased to be an apprentice. It took him until at least Revenge, 20 years later, before he was actually on Plagueis's level. You claimed that people learn much faster with the dark side. In that case, Sidious should be even further ahead of Luke.
As for Luke's power level in RotJ, 4 years later in The Courtship of Princess Leia.
"Time seemed to slow. His head throbbed,
pounding to the same rhythm as the beating of
his heart. His face had gone cold, numb, and
Luke realized distantly that Gethzerion’s spell
had ripped open blood vessels in his brain,
and he was about to die, one among hundreds
of fatalities on this battlefield.
So this is how it would have been, if Vader
had tried to kill me. Who had Luke beenkidding? Teneniel had been right, Luke was no
warrior. Ben, Luke thought. I failed you. I’ve
failed you all."
Re: Who can stop 2 DE Sidiouses?
Originally posted by Stigma
During his cloning experiments, Sidious clones himself, but the clone has the same memories, skill, power and mastery.
Now the universe trembles in fear of not one, but two Sidiouses.In order to rule the universe forever both travel through time and need to face the following teams.
Who can stop 2 DE Sidiouses ?
* All characters are at their peak.
* In CW era Sidiouses kidnap Padme, as they think it would aid them in their fight.1. Ancient Sith: Exar Kun, Ulic, Nihilus and Traya
2. TOR Era: Vitiate, Revan, Malgus and Nox
3. Banite Sith: Bane, Zannah, Tenebrous and Plagueis
4. CW Era: Yoda, Mace, Dooku and Zone Anakin
5. NJO Era: Luke, Caedus, Durron and KatarnBoss: Ahsoka and Abeloth
Actualy Revan and Vitiate are more ancient sith if Nihilus etc are....
Originally posted by zEniX
The only thing which would indicate Luke regressed in power is if you start with the DE comic itself. There is nothing in the quotes you mentioned which states he was weaker than he had been. In addition EVERY Jedi was portrayed as having a very hard time with the Vong at the start of the war in order to make them appear to be a significant threat.As for your argument about Luke's training for 10 years making him equal to Sidious. It doesn't hold any weight. Sidious trained intensively under Plagueis for 10 years before he even ceased to be an apprentice. It took him until at least Revenge, 20 years later, before he was actually on Plagueis's level. You claimed that people learn much faster with the dark side. In that case, Sidious should be even further ahead of Luke.
As for Luke's power level in RotJ, 4 years later in The Courtship of Princess Leia.
"Time seemed to slow. His head throbbed,
pounding to the same rhythm as the beating of
his heart. His face had gone cold, numb, and
Luke realized distantly that Gethzerion’s spell
had ripped open blood vessels in his brain,
and he was about to die, one among hundreds
of fatalities on this battlefield.
So this is how it would have been, if Vader
had tried to kill me. Who had Luke beenkidding? Teneniel had been right, Luke was no
warrior. Ben, Luke thought. I failed you. I’ve
failed you all."
I know from DE that Luke can throw statues without any problems. Post DE in one book Luke rebuilds and destroys Vader's fortress and lifts B-Wing with himself in it without any effort. But in NJO he states that he hasn't used Force heavily in years, it is a clear indication of him being out of practice towards NJO.
Sidious example is not relevant. First, Plagueis held back his training, he didn't even start teaching him lightsaber skill until later on. Second, you don't know how powerful Sidious was, when he killed Plagueis, in my opinion he was already in his prime at that time, he even says to Plagueis something like: You forged the most powerful Sith and did not leave a place for yourself. I am inclined to believe Sidious because at that point he was already too busy with politics and there is no indication at all that he got more powerful by the time of RotS.
As of Luke in Courtship. One of his best TK feats is in that book. But power does not equate to skill in Force combat. He lacked experience in Force fight, Getzerion simply caught him off guard with TK blast. Even experienced Jedi can get caught off guard regardless of power, Yoda getting knocked out by Sidious is one of the most notable examples. Luke gained experience from fighting witches. Year later Luke gained more experience from fight with C'baot. A lot of things can happen in two years, so there is nothing wrong with Luke being able to confront Sidious. Anakin got one-shotted by Dooku's lightning in AotC, two years or less later he could defend against it without much struggle.