Originally posted by Surtur
Unfortunately this entire thing has caused me to pretty much lose all respect for Dan Akroyd in the process. If you've seen his interview where he defends Leslie Jones you know exactly what I mean. It's not the fact he defended her, it is the way he defended her.
To be fair, he has no choice. He'd get absolutely destroyed if he came out against her, no matter how offensive she was being.
Originally posted by -Pr-
To be fair, he has no choice. He'd get absolutely destroyed if he came out against her, no matter how offensive she was being.
Like I said it is the way he defended her that got to me, I expect everyone involved to smile through this shit sandwich, but Akroyd took it up a notch. He essentially said that all the people being cruel towards her must of just been pathetic Donald Trump fans. He then goes on the say the Aryan Brotherhood has millions of white men ages 50-60 on Twitter. He also acts like a smug dick by saying he bets they can "barely afford their wifi".
I just find it amusing when millionaires try to act like they know what poor people are feeling. Also why is it people assume that only non-successful people are shitty? I'm guessing Mel Gibson can afford his wifi. I'm guessing the dude who played Kramer on Seinfeld can afford wifi. Hell Leslie Jones is racist as f*ck and can afford it.
Originally posted by Firefly218
^ There were racist tweets on her account but Leslie claims she got hacked.
Lol no. I mean yes, she did get hacked during the Milo thing, but nah..these racist tweets date back a while. You can click them and be taken directly to her twitter still. She's racist, you need to accept that fact.
Also the tweets of hers on that web page you posted are discriminatory against white people but mild as fuk. That's just regular talk on black twitter
Bullshit and more double standards. The b*tch was amazed a white person could be a good DJ. If a white person had said ANY of those things about a black person do you think people would brush it off with "it's just regular talk on black twitter".
Why is racist shit regular talk? What utter nonsense this is. If a white celebrity made a comment about how all black people are beginning to look alike, what do you think would happen? I just love the hypocrisy. People are racist against a black women? It's bad. She is shown to have a history of racism? Meh, it's just black twitter. No rational human being would think a white celebrity could get away with saying this shit about blacks.
Originally posted by SurturThere's a double standard because of the history between white ppl and black ppl. I'm not a fan of racial divisionism, but it's not really something to get too mad over.
Lol no. I mean yes, she did get hacked during the Milo thing, but nah..these racist tweets date back a while. You can click them and be taken directly to her twitter still.Bullshit and more double standards. The b*tch was amazed a white person could be a good DJ. If a white person had said ANY of those things about a black person do you think people would brush it off with "it's just regular talk on black twitter".
Why is racist shit regular talk? What utter nonsense this is. If a white celebrity made a comment about how all black people are beginning to look alike, what do you think would happen? I just love the hypocrisy. People are racist against a black women? It's bad. She is shown to have a history of racism? Meh, it's just black twitter.
Originally posted by Firefly218
There's a double standard because of the history between white ppl and black ppl. I'm not a fan of racial divisionism, but it's not really something to get too mad over.
Um hypocritical bullshit is indeed something to get upset over. This shit isn't okay from either side. There is no "it's more acceptable from one side because slavery existed 150 years ago".
She's racist and there is a BS double standard over it. If racism isn't something to get upset over than that applies to everyone, not just white people. Otherwise that in itself is racist.
It's especially bad because the media had a field day with this person talking about how brave she was. But she isn't brave. Just another racist hypocritical person. If people had stfu over this it would be one thing, but all these celebs came to her aid, to the aid of a racist. Will those same people get up and denounce her for this? No, they'd just do exactly what you did and make lame excuses. Damn it's hilarious how spot on Milo was when he said she was playing the victim.
Originally posted by Surtur
Um hypocritical bullshit is indeed something to get upset over. This shit isn't okay from either side. There is no "it's more acceptable from one side because slavery existed 150 years ago".She's racist and there is a BS double standard over it. If racism isn't something to get upset over than that applies to everyone, not just white people. Otherwise that in itself is racist.
It's especially bad because the media had a field day with this person talking about how brave she was. But she isn't brave. Just another racist hypocritical person. If people had stfu over this it would be one thing, but all these celebs came to her aid, to the aid of a racist. Will those same people get up and denounce her for this? No, they'd just do exactly what you did and make lame excuses. Damn it's hilarious how spot on Milo was when he said she was playing the victim.
Heh, now talk about Hypocrisy! Talking from a poster named 'Surtur' here.
There's this thing called 'degrees'.
She mentioned a race-based prejudice in a way not intended to offend, though was indeed wrong, it's not of a level that a white people get in much trouble with either. Milo encouraged openly racist venomous attacks en mass and violated the site's rules in an extreme way, he didn't just stereotype someone.
In other words, you're equating "says anything that has problematic race connotations," with "directly encouraging racial attacks that lead to mass harassment, knowingly so." Only, you're directly saying the latter is ok *because* of the former, so not just equating, but deciding the former is worse.
Also, when Firefly is talking about the history between white and black people, it's not '150 years ago.' It's about how a history leads to double standards that apply now, today- ones like how posters named Surtur are willing to write off purposeful mass harassment if someone made thoughtless comments in the past, and decide the 'real' problem is the attacked person 'playing' the victim- note how poster Surtur purposefully phrased it in a way to imply that the attacks either don't count or don't exist. Poster Surtur is clearly trying to erase/minimize attacks against one type of person in favor of one he views as more similar to himself.
It really goes to show how some people are more interested in waving for your 'team' than actually measuring the situation or weighing it in any even respect. There's a definite clear double standard here, where you can write off far worse behavior if you feel the victim 'deserved' it for not having a flawless history- which is none the less nothing in comparison to the attacking she's received and is completely unrelated to the attacking she's received, which was 100% because she was a black woman actress in a reboot of a movie that had a male cast and people like Milo don't like that.
What kind of echo-chamber producing the mentality that those two things are remotely equal...? I don't recall you being this bad back when I used to spend time around the general, but c'mon, "What the white guy did to attack doesn't count, clearly she's just playing victim!".
Heh. If you don't see the problem there, it's because you don't look at yourself.
I'm sorry, but most of what you just said is pure bunk. I'm not trying to erase anything. I'm simply saying both things are racist. There are degree's of racism. You have passive racism, which is hurling racial slurs etc. like these people did, and then you have the more active kind where people are attacked or killed, or their homes vandalized, etc.
Leslie Jones was using passive racism, and she said a bunch of racist shit that if a white celebrity said it people would flip.
I also never said african americans have things perfect here now, but things are a lot better than before. So there is still no "this is not as bad as this other racism" here.
You also come in here with your facts wrong. Milo never encouraged anyone to attack her. My problem is the hypocrisy. I never said what happened to Leslie was okay or deserved, I'm just pointing out she is a f*cking racist too. This entire thing began because she couldn't handle a negative review Milo did.
Originally posted by Q99
Milo encouraged openly racist venomous attacks en mass and violated the site's rules in an extreme way, he didn't just stereotype someone.
At no point did this happen btw.
That was just twitter's narrative, and they provided no evidence for it.
Milo didn't organize or encourage anyone to do anything.
Exactly! He didn't tell people to attack her. So it's bullshit to come and say he did. He posted a negative review of her movie, she whined about it on twitter, he insulted her acting and said she was trying to play the victim. Then she reported him for that to twitter. Then she began to get flooded with racist things by Milo fans, but at no point did he tell anyone to attack her.
Come at me with facts or don't come at me at all. The bottom line is everyone cheered her on and supported her even though she is racist herself. Don't get me wrong what happened to Leslie was also very wrong. You had people using some kind of program to create fake tweets from her, and then other people see it and think it's a real tweet and they retweet it. It was all wrong to do, but she's still racist too.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Can you post the tweets where Milo specifically did this?
Here's a New York Times article
Lesse, after people tweeted pictures calling her a gorilla and threats, he accused her of 'playing victim' and calling her "barely literate." Because telling his followers this person being attacked is 'playing victim' and then tossing in 'barely literate' when she's being called a gorilla *for being black* is not exactly subtle. And did lead to a stepping up of the harassment, no less.
Ooo~ that's totally the same as having ~ music assumptions~! I ~ totally ~ see white people get ~ threat campaigns ~ for assuming black people are ~ good at [musical genre] ~ all ~ the time! (Note; I have never seen this, ever, this is heavy sarcasm. I have seen, "Dude, not all black people like rap," aka actual reasonableness. It's not correct either way, but it's a total false equivalency to say it's the same thing).
Seriously, do the people making these accusations have any sense of self-awareness? Or how thin-skinned they sound?
'Black people who say ~anything~ about race totally deserve any harassment,' is the de facto crux of Surter's post. Milo's accusations don't even go that far- the mere fact that she's being attacked for being black is enough to call her 'playing victim' and to insult her intelligence.
The hyper-sensitivety of people who feel offended that other people are defending themselves against racial attacks is something else.
Okay so none of the things you linked showed Milo doing what you said he did. The second article shows the actual tweets and he is a dick, but he doesn't encourage anyone to attack her.
The bottom line is she is racist. I never said she spammed racist shit like they did, nobody said that. This all started when someone tried to dismiss this as "oh that is just black twitter".
Originally posted by Q99
Here's a New York Times articleLesse, after people tweeted pictures calling her a gorilla and threats, he accused her of 'playing victim' and calling her "barely literate." Because telling his followers this person being attacked is 'playing victim' and then tossing in 'barely literate' when she's being called a gorilla *for being black* is not exactly subtle. And did lead to a stepping up of the harassment, no less.
Ooo~ that's totally the same as having ~ music assumptions~! I ~ totally ~ see white people get ~ threat campaigns ~ for assuming black people are ~ good at [musical genre] ~ all ~ the time! (Note; I have never seen this, ever, this is heavy sarcasm. I have seen, "Dude, not all black people like rap," aka actual reasonableness. It's not correct either way, but it's a total false equivalency to say it's the same thing).
Seriously, do the people making these accusations have any sense of self-awareness? Or how thin-skinned they sound?
'Black people who say ~anything~ about race totally deserve any harassment,' is the de facto crux of Surter's post. Milo's accusations don't even go that far- the mere fact that she's being attacked for being black is enough to call her 'playing victim' and to insult her intelligence.
The hyper-sensitivety of people who feel offended that other people are defending themselves against racial attacks is something else.
Right, but I asked you to post the tweets where Milo did what you accused him of. so can you post the tweets where he specifically encouraged "openly racist venomous attacks en mass"?
I also think there might be some confusion when I talk about racism being the same. I pointed out if a white person said the things she did people would flip. I never said Leslie produced the same level of hate. When I talk about racism not being acceptable from anyone I just meant in general. A white man being racist to a black man is not any worse than a black man being racist to a white guy. In other words, it's not inherently just..lesser racism if you're black.
Milo (is this the ass-reaming queer you accused me of gay bashing?) didn't appear to specifically say "attack this fat black lady", but his response to the harassment pretty obviously condones it. Idk what the terms of service specifically state so I can't comment on whether this salad-tossing probable pedophile's ban was justified.
Originally posted by Surtur
Basically they used the way his fans acted as an excuse to ban him. They've probably been looking for an excuse to ban him for a while now. Which again this all started when Leslie took to twitter to complain about her shitty movie getting a bad review.
"Basically" they use the way his fans acted after he called her being attacked made up and personally insulted her against him.
And why would they look for an excuse to ban someone who openly supportive of other harassment...? Oh wait, I answer my own question, and I also point to why there's little reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. It *is* his fans involved, they've been involved in this sort of thing before, and he helped direct them. There could be better reasons to ban someone from social media, but not many.
Also: Do people who complain about their movies getting bad reviews normally get this kind of harassment? Heck no. The director of Fantastic 4 didn't get this, and that movie was horrible. Batman vs Superman didn't and that one's way bigger. This one? It's actually getting positive reviews! Not great, but better than Ghostbuster's 2. And she's not even the director, just one of the actors- and, notably, the only black one.
You're so *quick* to dismiss all culpability for attacks and say, "Oh, no, it's completely *her* fault for making a defensive comment."
Meanwhile, someone who makes comments with direct offensive intend... oooh, such a victim, they're unfairly attacked.
And you're doing this side-by-side without noticing the irony?
Surtur, you've got a huge double standard here. You're literally saying that being the victim of an attack is more of a sin than both engaging in and encouraging other to.
I suggest looking in the mirror. The amount of positive slack you're willing to grant the offending party here is massive, almost the size of the lack you're willing to grant the person who did less and was attacked far.
The amount of wailing and complaining people do when they're told it's not ok to attack others.....