Originally posted by Surtur
I also think there might be some confusion when I talk about racism being the same. I pointed out if a white person said the things she did people would flip.
Except I've never seen people flip out for such a level of comment- nothing like what she's got.
I never said Leslie produced the same level of hate.
You *did* say she was 'playing victim.'
When I talk about racism not being acceptable from anyone I just meant in general.
But you're using it to try and make 'made a mildly prejudical comment' into worse than 'directly attacked and encouraged attacks' on someone else'.
Dou~ble stan~dard.
It shows how thin-skilled you are about stuff in *one* direction, while meanwhile thick-skinned in the *other*. You are literally more concerned about Milo being banned for attacks than Leslie for being attacked, under the guise of a mild comment made some time ago.
A white man being racist to a black man is not any worse than a black man being racist to a white guy. In other words, it's not inherently just..lesser racism if you're black.
There is a thing called 'degrees', and so far, you're acting like 'it coming from a black person, no matter how mild' makes more difference than the form or intensity or anything else.
Again, *you* said 'playing victim.' You agreed with that. You dismissed all the attacks on her, because of a comment on music.
That's you. That's your hypocrisy, greater than any you complain against.
Okay so you're not really understanding what is being said. I said she was playing the victim in reference to what Milo said about her. Which yes, she was playing the victim there for reporting him for what he said. For all the shit his fans did? No, she wasn't playing the victim then.
Yes, I do understand degree's of racism. A lynching is worse than a racial slur. But I'm talking about racism in general, yes the degree of the act matters, but again what I'm saying is the persons race doesn't somehow lessen the degree of racism.
Do you understand now what I am saying? I never dismissed the attacks on her. But Milo didn't attack her, his fans did. So I don't feel I've been hypocritical, I did not condone or dismiss anything that happened to her.
Originally posted by SurturYou can't seriously be equating Leslie's race based tweets to targeted harassment can you??? In one case an actor is expressing their racial prejudices for comedic effect. In another case a hate-mongerer is engaging in and promoting targeted racial harassment. No equivalency there...
Okay so you're not really understanding what is being said. I said she was playing the victim in reference to what Milo said about her. Which yes, she was playing the victim there for reporting him for what he said. For all the shit his fans did? No, she wasn't playing the victim then.Yes, I do understand degree's of racism. A lynching is worse than a racial slur. But I'm talking about racism in general, yes the degree of the act matters, but again what I'm saying is the persons race doesn't somehow lessen the degree of racism.
Do you understand now what I am saying? I never dismissed the attacks on her. But Milo didn't attack her, his fans did. So I don't feel I've been hypocritical, I did not condone or dismiss anything that happened to her.
Originally posted by Firefly218
You can't seriously be equating Leslie's race based tweets to targeted harassment can you??? In one case an actor is expressing their racial prejudices for comedic effect. In another case a hate-mongerer is engaging in and promoting targeted racial harassment. No equivalency there...
Post the tweets where Milo did what you're claiming.
Originally posted by Firefly218
You can't seriously be equating Leslie's race based tweets to targeted harassment can you??? In one case an actor is expressing their racial prejudices for comedic effect. In another case a hate-mongerer is engaging in and promoting targeted racial harassment. No equivalency there...
I never said the two specific acts were equal. I said racism from a black person is no less worse than racism from a white. That is it. I never once equated it. I've stated my point several times, and here you are *again* saying shit about how I'm saying they are equal.
No, just no. Leslie is a racist a kunt. Were her racial jibes worse than her harassment? No! It's just about you saying incredibly silly things like "this is just black twitter".
Do you need this repeated again? Did we just enter the Twilight Zone? Why do you and others need to lie to get your points across? Lie about Milo, it's okay. Lie about what I say, it's okay..as long as you get to make some kind of point, right?
Originally posted by Q99
Surtur, you've got a huge double standard here. You're literally saying that being the victim of an attack is more of a sin than both engaging in and encouraging other to.I suggest looking in the mirror. The amount of positive slack you're willing to grant the offending party here is massive, almost the size of the lack you're willing to grant the person who did less and was attacked far.
So you're either trolling or just not reading shit. Where did I say what you said. Quote me. Quote me where I literally said this. Since all I said was racism from a black isn't any worse than racism from a white. That is it. I never said targeted harassment is equal. My entire point was about racism in general. I repeated this several times.
You keep saying I'm granting someone slack, but no. You came in and lied about Milo and then when called on it just tried to spin it another direction.
Here is the conclusion: Milo's racist fans are racist pieces of crap. Leslie Jones is a racist piece of crap. Milo's fans were indeed more racist , and THAT is what makes it worse. Not their f*cking race. Which was my point from the beginning. I never cut slack to anyone lol. Nor did I ever say it was deserved. I've repeatedly explained myself now. Do I need to repeat this all again?
EDIT: You have to be trolling because you keep saying Milo encouraged others to attack when he didn't. There isn't anything left to say. Get your facts right and then we can discuss this further. There is no point to continue a discourse with someone who is going to lie. Which it's a lie. Before you could of claimed ignorance, but you posted links that showed he didn't encourage anyone and you still say this, so yep you're either lying or you don't believe the links you posted. Why lie? What do you get? Why does it irk people to just say racism from blacks isn't somehow lesser than racism from anyone else? This doesn't even get into the specific acts of racism, which is what you can't seem to understand. Why is it people like you have to just purposely misinterpret something someone says in order to argue with them?
Originally posted by NemeBro
That's sort of Surtur's thing. He tries to dig through black people's past when they're attacked and implies they deserve it. He's truly a disgusting piece of shit. 👇
Oh it's my own personal troll. Nobody said Leslie deserved it. Calling someone a hypocrite doesn't mean you are saying they deserved it. In fact if you go back several pages to when this incident was first discussed I also say she didn't deserve to be harassed and I do acknowledge what Milo's fans did was horrible.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the tweets where Milo did what you're claiming.
They won't be able to and that shows their true colors. One person even went so far as to post links that didn't show Milo tweeting anyone with commands to harass and yet they *still* say he encouraged people. This person even wondered why they'd want to ban Milo from twitter..showing they know nothing about him and how SJW's react to him. People have issues with the truth he brings. That is why so many hate him, not because he is some venomous racist person.
Then another poster quotes a post of mine and their first line is to literally say something I've never claimed.
They don't want to hear the truth. All they can see is "you said this racism isn't worse than this" while refusing to see the context of it despite me clarifying my point numerous times. I get it, blacks have suffered horribly and if people are going to just see red whenever this topic is broached instead of seeing reason that is understandable I guess, but it leaves little room for discourse.
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At least we can just pretend this never happened and let it slip into the abyss of terrible remakes. Be sure to say hi to "The Thing" (2011 version)when you get there Ghostbusters.