Magneto -Vs- Juggernaut

Thats my bad I ussaully use BFR in my fights. Im not sure why I left it out.

I even checked to see if BFR was on and I now know I never typed it lol

B.F.R is not allowed guys.. Sorry for that. I'm pissed at myself for not catching that earlier.

I know it will hurt Mags chance some, but it allows for a better debate in a forum setting.

DAMN YOU, SUPERSEX!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He saw her as a threat. Or at least, the Doc Green AI did.

No response to my point about Mags being willing to phuck with the surroundings to give himself a chance?

Not to mention, he HAS done it before (BFR).

So he brought needles for the others but didn't bring a needle for her because he thought of her as a threat? What did he think of the others? Why not bring needles? Why not throw a single punch during the fight? Why is he even using the needles against the others if they are not threats? Think about it. Also, Hulk never said she was a threat. Someone/something else did.

I'm not discussing Magneto with you when I know exactly how he fights. Bfr is an option but it's an option he rarely use.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
NOW you finally get what I'm saying.

WHO said he was holding him in place indefinitely???

Going back to my post, do you think Mags would keep him suspended, giving him time to break free, without throwing him away for a BFR? In a forum fight?

How idiotic do you think he is?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DAMN YOU, SUPERSEX!!!

I know I'm sorry🙁

You can debate for both sides if you like. 1 side with bfr and another with bfr off.

But yes the op was ment to be bfr off.

Originally posted by Supermex
Thats my bad I ussaully use BFR in my fights. Im not sure why I left it out.

I even checked to see if BFR was on and I now know I never typed it lol

B.F.R is not allowed guys.. Sorry for that. I'm pissed at myself for not catching that earlier.

I know it will hurt Mags chance some, but it allows for a better debate in a forum setting.

👆

Always great to have it off. Extremely cheap tactic.

Originally posted by h1a8
but mags can't control Juggs metal as shown on panel. So he can't throw him anywhere.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Erik can simply trap him into a force field and toss him in the space or simply manipulate the ground beneath him to shoot in space BFRing him. He has done both BTW.

Originally posted by carver9
👆

Always great to have it off. Extremely cheap tactic.

OK rules change here guys..

BFR is off for every here debating..
BFR is allowed for only Carver when he trys to make a case in this fight🙂 lol

Jk

Magneto fights a more powerful Juggernaut. A Juggernaut that is blessed with both the enchantment from Cy and an enchantment from the hammer. Magneto knows this Juggernaut is amped. He even sees a display of his power. What does Magneto do first? He tries to crush Juggernaut head with his helmet...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/4024490-ucx_0016.jpg

No attempt at bfring (even while knowing this version of Jugs is amped). Juggernaut then toss his hammer.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/4024491-ucx_0017.jpg

Instead of dodging said hammer at that moment, Magneto tries to overpower it. One person attempted to bfr Jugs and it was not Magneto.

Because Cyclops was the leader. He called the plays. Not Mags.

Cyclops: "Magneto, you're up".

Magneto: "It's about time".

He was never told how to attack. Cyclops didn't tell him to crush his head. Cyclops didn't tell him to try to stop Juggernauts hammer. Everything he did, he did under his own power/mind.

You'd have to prove it. That Cyclops hadn't run through his plans with everyone.

Unless of course you think all of those plans were thought up by the Xmen themselves? Rockslide and Gambit, Dazzler and Siryn etc? He just told them, guys, get on with it, and they creatively thought them up themselves?

Your argument is like a team coach telling his star football player, you're up.

The football player's been chomping at the bit to enter the game. Its about time.

You're saying the football player can do what the hell he wants? Nope.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your argument is like a team coach telling his star football player, you're up.

The football player's been chomping at the bit to enter the game. Its about time.

You're saying the football player can do what the hell he wants? Nope.

A lot of what happened against Jugs was planned as shown here...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/4024501-uncanny_x-men_0014.jpg

THAT part wasn't planned though...it's even stated that Magneto stopping the hammer wasn't part of the plan. We were told what was planned and Colossus punching him and Magneto stopping his hammer was never said (other examples)...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/4024497-uncanny_x-men_0003.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/4024500-uncanny_x-men_0010.jpg

As shown, they gave an explanation of each plan. Not with Magneto though or the beginning defense/offense. All of that was freely done.

Magneto was trying to remove his helmet...

Cyclops confirms that Emma can't get through telepathically, so he sends Magneto in to remove Juggs' telepathic protection.

So it was entirely Cyclops' call, and it's irrelevant to this fight, because Magneto won't attack telepathically.

Ladies and gentleman, another classic duel between Carver and Darksaint.

Originally posted by carver9
Magneto fights a more powerful Juggernaut. A Juggernaut that is blessed with both the enchantment from Cy and an enchantment from the hammer. Magneto knows this Juggernaut is amped. He even sees a display of his power. What does Magneto do first? He tries to crush Juggernaut head with his helmet...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/4024490-ucx_0016.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/4024491-ucx_0017.jpg

Gotta disagree with you on this one, Carv.

From the 1960s on, the X-Men's primary plan for defeating Juggernaut has been:

A. Remove Juggernaut's helmet.
B. Blast helmetless Jug unconscious with psionic or telepathic attack.

Magneto's plan, inspired by Cyclops, was essentially the same for Kuurth.

REMOVE, not crush, Juggernaut's helmet.
Psionically/telepathically blast Jug unconscious.

Magneto alludes to precisely this as Kuurth-Jug throws that hammer:

Exactly. At WHAT point was he trying to CRUSH Juggernaut's head with his helmet?

He's trying to remove the helmet, so Emma can have telepathic access. AS per CYCLOP'S plan.

Step 1: Check with Emma. Can she access his mind?
Step 2: No, she can't.
Step 3: Why not? Historically, it's because he has that damn helmet.
Step 4: You have a Master of Magnetism on your team. Get him to remove that helmet, so Emma can access his mind.

Originally posted by Supermex
Skaar was not fighting Cls.Juggy I believe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering lifting him with TK is different than wrapping a FF, no.

Cain is just that dumb. Skaar BFRed him the same way, lifted in air and punched in orbit.

That was different.