Originally posted by Supermex
Juggernaut armor is just not Mystical Armor.. It's the Will of Cyttorack. Magneto can suppress the Juggernauts momentum by generating force barriers or using a power enough Energy beam could even toss the Juggernaut. But he can not control Juggernaut's armor like any other metal.
Really theres no barrier that magneto can make can stop Juggy..Majolnir is a different type of magic because the Majolnir is a craftsmanship with enchanted powers. It's not like Juggernaut's armor which is directly linked to Cyttorack's will.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He was fighting repowered Juggs shortly after wwh which = classic juggs
He's Classic Juggs in most areas, but I doubt they'll ever bring the force field or magic powers back.
And Skaar won that fight through daddies help and tricking Cain. He turned into his kid form and while Cain was pissed at Bruce for throwing a kid at him, he knocked Cain into the air. He came back down, they started fighting again and Skaar launched the stone platform they were both on into the air with his Old Power. He rolled off but Cain didn't, and when Cain finally fell he'd had time to charge his Oldstrong Punch which bfr'd him into orbit.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85mags doesn't really have a real forcefield as it only affects things that are affected by magnetism. For example, a wooden arrow can simply go through as if it was an illusion.
If Juggs isn't affected by magnetism then how would Mags move him with a forcefield and how would mags get the forcefield under Juggs feet with Juggs walking?
Mags can't levitate anything non magnetic that fast. He barely can levitate a non magnetic object. It takes tremendous concentration for him to do this. Also, Juggs may be too heavy for him to do that with. Even so, He can't shoot someone off to space. Juggs would simply overpower it or simple just fall forward.
Nobody has shown he couldn't use the iron in his blood to lift him. "Jean failed to lift him" is irrelevant, was this Jean on the power level of Magneto at the time? Was she possessed by the Phoenix?
Originally posted by h1a8
yes, so that means Cyclops beam has magnetic properties.
Doesn't this just lend credence to the whole "guy can effect things that are non-metal" then?
Originally posted by Surturno because Mags was shown not being able to affect a wooden arrow. So anything that is affected in comics can be assumed to have magnetic properties.
Nobody has shown he couldn't use the iron in his blood to lift him. "Jean failed to lift him" is irrelevant, was this Jean on the power level of Magneto at the time? Was she possessed by the Phoenix?Doesn't this just lend credence to the whole "guy can effect things that are non-metal" then?
Originally posted by h1a8
no because Mags was shown not being able to affect a wooden arrow. So anything that is affected in comics can be assumed to have magnetic properties.
This logic doesn't make any sense, I said it shows he can effect things that don't have metal in them. You then point out a single feat that contradicts that(even though the optic beam feat would support it, so it seems they cancel each other out) and then use that to assume that no...Cyclops eye beams have metal in them? Either you are saying they have metal in them or you are agreeing with what I just said, the whole "can affect things besides metal".
Magnets can have affects on more then just metal objects. But that is besides the point, he can still target the iron inside Juggernaut. Yes, I am aware someone posted a feat of Jean failing to lift him or whatever. But we need a feat of someone on the power level of Magneto trying to internally mess with Juggernaut and failing. Especially since he isn't going to be causing any actual damage to Juggernaut, I'm not 100% sure you can just hand wave it with "Cyttorak's enchantment".
Yeah see that is the thing about Magneto, the movies get it wrong and say he controls metal. In comics, he can manipulate the entire electromagnetic spectrum, which is how he does all kinds of crazy shit that has nothing to do with metal objects.
He's also manipulated lightning(Storm's) and I think even outright created it as well.