Originally posted by Silent Master
As you've no doubt noticed, they don't seem to understand the terms they're using.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi👆
They are actually using the term spot on how it's normally applied in sports... something you would know nothing about. When using the word "prime" people are referring to their physical prime. Even if somebody never worked out their entire life until they were 45.. and then started lifting weights like a mad man and were stronger than they ever were... That ISN'T their prime. Their prime years has long since passed. Point is, there is no way Rocky pushing 40 was in his prime. That is beyond stupid to even say such a thing. One could possibly say he was at his mental prime for the Drago fight having learned so much throughout the years, but he certainly wasn't in the prime of his sporting life. Generally, that is usually considered 25 to 31
Reality =/= Fiction
Rocky's on a fictional physical chronological clock though, why he's able to hold his own at 60+ (with brain damage) against the current HW champ in "Rocky Balboa" (2006), so 40ish might actually be when Balboa hit his prime condition, numbers would have to be crunched, factored and reviewed
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThis is true for most people, but Rocky in IV was able to transcend his physical limits and become more formidable than he ever was as a young man.
They are actually using the term spot on how it's normally applied in sports... something you would know nothing about. When using the word "prime" people are referring to their physical prime. Even if somebody never worked out their entire life until they were 45.. and then started lifting weights like a mad man and were stronger than they ever were... That ISN'T their prime. Their prime years has long since passed. Point is, there is no way Rocky pushing 40 was in his prime. That is beyond stupid to even say such a thing. One could possibly say he was at his mental prime for the Drago fight having learned so much throughout the years, but he certainly wasn't in the prime of his sporting life. Generally, that is usually considered 25 to 31
I am similar. I'm nearly eighty years old, but capable of bench-pressing nearly five hundred pounds. Similarly, I have won over fifty underground boxing fights in the last year. I believe I am more qualified to speak on this topic than you.
Originally posted by Robtard
Reality =/= FictionRocky's on a fictional physical chronological clock though, why he's able to hold his own at 60+ (with brain damage) against the current HW champ in "Rocky Balboa" (2006), so 40ish might actually be when Balboa hit his prime condition, numbers would have to be crunched, factored and reviewed
This would actually needed to be exactly stated in the movies that Rocky's body.. clock.. whatever made up thing you're trying to say might exists DOES exist. Nothing short of that would possibly qualify. When nothing is stated we don't make up things and call them facts. The reality is, Rocky is just like any other human being, and wasn't meant to age slower or have a chemical makeup different than any human. When he's 40, he's not in his prime anymore. It's really that simple. The easier more logical answer is, he was extremely motivated to beat Drago and turned back the clock to give one last great performance (something we see from time to time). Instead of, well Rocky isn't a normal human, his prime is actually later in life than everybody else. Nah, he just put up one last great performance. Nothing more.
Originally posted by Robtard
Reality =/= FictionRocky's on a fictional physical chronological clock though, why he's able to hold his own at 60+ (with brain damage) against the current HW champ in "Rocky Balboa" (2006), so 40ish might actually be when Balboa hit his prime condition, numbers would have to be crunched, factored and reviewed
It's at times like this that you just want to ask them, Do you even Rocky?
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's at times like this that you just want to ask them, Do you even Rocky?
Please point me to ANY scene where it's stated that Rocky's body doesn't age like a normal human and his physical prime is later in life than every other human. Show me the scene which states this, if not, you should shut up like you have the facts on your side. You don't. The total opposite is true. We have countless studies that show when our physical prime is as humans and certainly that of athletes at the professional level... It seems all you guys have is.... Well... I must be that his body is different than all other humans... Yeah, I'm totally convinced... :Facepalm:
To say nothing of the fact that you were using the term prime wrong and clearly don't have a clue when that is for an athlete at the professional level. Instead you spoke out of ignorance (don't blame you not being athletic and all) and said others were using the word wrong. Typical Silent.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This would actually needed to be exactly stated in the movies that Rocky's body.. clock.. whatever made up thing you're trying to say might exists DOES exist. Nothing short of that would possibly qualify. When nothing is stated we don't make up things and call them facts. The reality is, Rocky is just like any other human being, and wasn't meant to age slower or have a chemical makeup different than any human. When he's 40, he's not in his prime anymore. It's really that simple. The easier more logical answer is, he was extremely motivated to beat Drago and turned back the clock to give one last great performance (something we see from time to time). Instead of, well Rocky isn't a normal human, his prime is actually later in life than everybody else. Nah, he just put up one last great performance. Nothing more.
Some things don't need to be explicitly stated for the audience to pick up on it, it can be relayed to us on other ways
I'd also disagree that Balboa is a "normal human" considering he took 15 rounds of beatings from a guy who can punch in the 1850psi range and could still hold his own at 60+ with brain damage against the reigning heavy weight champ, that seems beyond "normal" to me, if even a little bit
But I implied that it's possible and I'm still working on the maths, please provide your own if you disagree
human physical prime is between 25-35 years old, no way Rocky was in his prime vs Drago. That being said, he was very very close as studies show that humans lose approximately 5% of their muscle mass every 10 years past middle age but that can be halted somewhat from strength training, which is why Rocky was able to compete with the young champ in Rocky 6 and why he was still able to tank Dragos offence
Originally posted by Robtard
Some things don't need to be explicitly stated for the audience to pick up on it, it can be relayed to us on other waysI'd also disagree that Balboa is a "normal human" considering he took 15 rounds of beatings from a guy who can punch in the 1850psi range and could still hold his own at 60+ with brain damage against the reigning heavy weight champ, that seems beyond "normal" to me, if even a little bit
But I implied that it's possible and I'm still working on the maths, please provide your own if you disagree
Actually it would need to be stated because that is a key fact that would make Rocky different than every other professional athlete. That would be a key plot point and something that would've in all likelihood been said. It wasn't. Thus, we can come to the conclusion that more than likely the director had no such intention to make Rocky that way, if he did, he would've mentioned it SOMEWHERE in 6 movies.
Also, I don't know why you and others keep on saying Rocky withstood 15 rounds of fighting from a guy that can punch at 1850 PSI. That's intentionally misleading and not close to true. Drago did that in a SET environment with somebody not moving away, rolling with the punches, using angles or having somebody ready to hit back. Somebody doing that is totally not what we'd expect to see in a real fight. In a real fight, you're also having to worry about a counter, setting up your own combo after an initial punch, worrying about dodging a counter. All those things make it impossible to totally sell out on a power punch and put everything into it. I doubt Drago hit Rocky one time in the entire fight at that level of power. Just doesn't work that way. Let me guess, Drago is different than every other fighter in existence, and even though he's an amateur, can let loose at 1850 every punch while in a real fight and still be perfectly balanced in the process.
These are some fun things to make up about something that is so painfully obvious. Rocky simply turned back the clock, something we routinely see in all sports. There isn't some smoking gun we're missing here.
But we do know that Rocky is different than other professional athletes, see: "Rocky Balboa" 2006 as support
So I did the maths
Things we know: At 61ish and with brain damage Balboa was still capable of holding his own against the current-in-his-prome heavyweight champ of the world, meaning that despite not being in his prime, he still had it and wasn't a geriatric
Maths: So deduct 20 from 61 and we get Balboa's medium-prime-age (aka MPA) of 41 years, which further tells us that Rocky's prime-age-range (aka PAR) is 38 to 44
More things we know: Rocky was born July 6, 1945; he fought Drago in 1985. So Balboa was 40-41 years old when he fought Drago and that would place him about right in the middle if not the middle of his prime. This is supported by the events of "Rocky IV" 1985
#doingmathsisfun
Originally posted by Robtard
But we do know that Rocky is different than other professional athletes, see: "Rocky Balboa" 2006 as supportSo I did the maths
Things we know: At 61ish and with brain damage Balboa was still capable of holding his own against the current-in-his-prome heavyweight champ of the world, meaning that despite not being in his prime, he still had it and wasn't a geriatric
Maths: So deduct 20 from 61 and we get Balboa's medium-prime-age (aka MPA) of 41 years, which further tells us that Rocky's prime-age-range (aka PAR) is 38 to 44
More things we know: Rocky was born July 6, 1945; he fought Drago in 1985. So Balboa was 40-41 years old when he fought Drago and that would place him about right in the middle if not the middle of his prime. This is supported by the events of "Rocky IV" 1985
#doingmathsisfun
Please tell me you're joking... The first part where you're wrong is that Rocky was able to hold his own with the current "prime" HW champ... That isn't what happened really. First, we have nothing of note on Dixon.. OTHER THAN he hadn't faced anybody of note up until that point. That was a key plot point to the movie. That's why Dixon took up the challenge was because people were saying he hadn't fought anybody and the simulation bit. So, we know for a fact Dixon wasn't an all time great fighter like Creed, in fact he hadn't beaten anybody of note. We've seen this very thing happen in boxing history.... Burns... Willard... James B... Spinks etc etc Those are only HW's mind you and not even including other divisions. Point being, Dixon was nothing special and wouldn't go down as anything special. SO... trying to surmise that Rocky somehow was able to compete against an all time great fighter isn't close to true.
Further, it was a fight that Dixon in all likelihood didn't even take serous. He didn't even want to fight Rocky because of how old he was. We can say he probably didn't take training for it very seriously. Also, Dixon if you'll remember hurt his power hand on Rocky's hip in the 2nd round of the fight. That's very early on in the fight to hurt your best hand. Which is again, more proof of it not being very significant so much of anything really. Lastly, it wasn't even a full 15 round fight from what I remember. Which again takes away from the fight.
Lastly, Rocky's makes note that Rocky no longer has speed and has bad arthritis and focus solely on strength and power punches knowing how limited Rocky is. Which again points to him being nothing special by this point.
Which is why this math you just "compiled" doesn't work neatly at all. It's based on faulty logic that Rocky was somehow able to compete still at age 60, when in fact that isn't the case. He was greatly limited to go along with all the other facts I just mentioned. At NOT POINT, in any of the movies was it mentioned that Rocky ages slower... or is prime later than normal humans. Not at any place or time. Because he doesn't. He wasn't prime for Drago, and in fact, was past his prime. He just happened to turn in a great performance which we see all the time.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You know the other side has lost the argument when they start crying about how things would work in the real world.
Still waiting for you to post the clip or quote the scene where it's mentioned that Rocky's prime is later in life because his body is different than everybody else in the world. Please cite that scene for me.
