Ivan Drago vs Apollo from Rocky II

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please tell me you're joking... The first part where you're wrong is that Rocky was able to hold his own with the current "prime" HW champ... That isn't what happened really. First, we have nothing of note on Dixon.. OTHER THAN he hadn't faced anybody of note up until that point. That was a key plot point to the movie. That's why Dixon took up the challenge was because people were saying he hadn't fought anybody and the simulation bit. So, we know for a fact Dixon wasn't an all time great fighter like Creed, in fact he hadn't beaten anybody of note. We've seen this very thing happen in boxing history.... Burns... Willard... James B... Spinks etc etc Those are only HW's mind you and not even including other divisions. Point being, Dixon was nothing special and wouldn't go down as anything special. SO... trying to surmise that Rocky somehow was able to compete against an all time great fighter isn't close to true.

Further, it was a fight that Dixon in all likelihood didn't even take serous. He didn't even want to fight Rocky because of how old he was. We can say he probably didn't take training for it very seriously. Also, Dixon if you'll remember hurt his power hand on Rocky's hip in the 2nd round of the fight. That's very early on in the fight to hurt your best hand. Which is again, more proof of it not being very significant so much of anything really. Lastly, it wasn't even a full 15 round fight from what I remember. Which again takes away from the fight.

Lastly, Rocky's makes note that Rocky no longer has speed and has bad arthritis and focus solely on strength and power punches knowing how limited Rocky is. Which again points to him being nothing special by this point.

Which is why this math you just "compiled" doesn't work neatly at all. It's based on faulty logic that Rocky was somehow able to compete still at age 60, when in fact that isn't the case. He was greatly limited to go along with all the other facts I just mentioned. At NOT POINT, in any of the movies was it mentioned that Rocky ages slower... or is prime later than normal humans. Not at any place or time. Because he doesn't. He wasn't prime for Drago, and in fact, was past his prime. He just happened to turn in a great performance which we see all the time.

Did I say Mason was an "all time great"? I didn't. I said he was an in-his-prime reigning heavy weight champ, which is a fact

60+ year old brain damaged Balboa still held his own against an in-his-prime heavy weight champ, which is the point

You can disagree with my maths all you like and I welcome it, but please show your numbers that discredit it. I took the time to crunch digits

I would also like to point out that you'll insist something that is heavily implied "doesn't count unless it's explicitly stated or shown", yet you'll in the next breath dismiss something that is explicitly stated or shown if it doesn't agree with you. eg your dismissal of Drago's 1850psi punch despite it being explicitly shown to us

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm still waiting for you to actually watch the movies.

So there is no such scene. That's exactly as I thought.

Do you watch Mrs. Doubtfire and go... he must be bullet proof... It doesn't say he isn't.. he may not be a normal human. Do you watch The Natural and go... Those players might be super athletes .. I mean it doesn't say they aren't and this is fiction after all? Do you say that? When people are making fictional movies about normal humans.. we assume just that.. that they are normal humans governed by the same physics standards the rest of us are. When the director wants to show us otherwise he'll do so or say so. He'll present scenes that PROVE he's a bullet dodger or can tank bullets. No guess work involved. AT NO POINT, in ANY of the movies is it stated, let alone even implied that Rocky ages different than normal humans. EVER. Yet, somehow we're suppose to believe that, or what we see happen all the time... a fighter turning back the clock. Are you also going to tell me Foreman was in his physical prime when he beat Moore for the HW tittle and became the oldest HW champion ever? Of course not, he was well past his prime, didn't stop him from winning the HW title.

Are you going to watch the movies at some point?

Concession accepted

So, you're not going to watch the movies?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, you're not going to watch the movies?

watched them... Are you going to try and pick up a sport and pretend to be an athlete for a second of your life to understand the concepts being discussed here?

Do you think foreman was prime when he beat Moore?

Sure you did, just like h1a8 has read all the comics he talks about.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You know the other side has lost the argument when they start crying about how things would work in the real world.

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Also, in the real world, I've never heard of anyone having a 2150 PSI punch before nor have I ever heard of a boxer killing another boxer before though admittedly I don't follow boxing that closely. People can talk about semantics all they want to regarding what a boxer's "prime" is but it was clear to me that in Rocky 4 Rocky was in the best shape of his life during the Drago fight.

Next thing you know they'll be saying John McClane's feats don't count because a real person would have died multiple times from the damage he tanked in those movies.

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This would actually needed to be exactly stated in the movies that Rocky's body.. clock.. whatever made up thing you're trying to say might exists DOES exist. Nothing short of that would possibly qualify. When nothing is stated we don't make up things and call them facts. The reality is, Rocky is just like any other human being, and wasn't meant to age slower or have a chemical makeup different than any human. When he's 40, he's not in his prime anymore. It's really that simple. The easier more logical answer is, he was extremely motivated to beat Drago and turned back the clock to give one last great performance (something we see from time to time). Instead of, well Rocky isn't a normal human, his prime is actually later in life than everybody else. Nah, he just put up one last great performance. Nothing more.

Drago punched him about seventy four times in the first round alone. Assuming he could manage 2/3rds of that for the rest of the rounds (it's less because Rocky began fighting back in round two), that's seven hundred and sixty punches during the fight.

Drago's punch clocks in at 1,850 PSI on average. With a surface area of about four inches, that would be about 7,400 pounds of force.

So Drago has over three tons of force in his fist. Rocky withstood said fist 760 times. So Rocky's face can withstand 5,624,000 pounds of force, or about 2,812 tons.

Rocky in IV >>>>>>>>>>>> II.

Originally posted by Silent Master

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Originally posted by Star428
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Also, in the real world, I've never heard of anyone having a 2150 PSI punch before nor have I ever heard of a boxer killing another boxer before though admittedly I don't follow boxing that closely. People can talk about semantics all they want to regarding what a boxer's "prime" is but it was clear to me that in Rocky 4 Rocky was in the best shape of his life during the Drago fight.

Boxers with much lesser punching power have killed in the past.

Someone should prove that Drago can keep his punching power against a moving target.

Rocky was not at his Prime in Rocky IV, but it seems to me that people want to powerscale him based on the movies. At 40 his mobility has been greatly diminished, that's why he took so many hits against Drago. Anyways, if you want to discuss Rocky totally ignoring boxing, I think you're doing it wrong, but that's my opinion.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So Rocky's face can withstand 5,624,000 pounds of force, or about 2,812 tons.

If you dropped 3 tons on his face at once it'd go splat though. He'd need McClane's smooth, bald head to deflect most of the weight. 😆

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm always serious.

Drago could likely beat Apollo, pre-IV Rocky, and Lang at the same time. He might be able to kill all of them with a single punch.

Originally posted by Robtard
But we do know that Rocky is different than other professional athletes, see: "Rocky Balboa" 2006 as support

So I did the maths

Things we know: At 61ish and with brain damage Balboa was still capable of holding his own against the current-in-his-prome heavyweight champ of the world, meaning that despite not being in his prime, he still had it and wasn't a geriatric

Maths: So deduct 20 from 61 and we get Balboa's medium-prime-age (aka MPA) of 41 years, which further tells us that Rocky's prime-age-range (aka PAR) is 38 to 44

More things we know: Rocky was born July 6, 1945; he fought Drago in 1985. So Balboa was 40-41 years old when he fought Drago and that would place him about right in the middle if not the middle of his prime. This is supported by the events of "Rocky IV" 1985

#doingmathsisfun

However, when using the word prime for this discussion you think of:
• The period of greatest physical and mental robustness
• The period of best performance or peak activity

For physical and mental robustness you would have to say Rocky II and IV. Since he was younger in Rocky II I would have to give Rocky II as his prime for physical and mental robustness. Rocky undoubtedly reach a prime again in terms of physical and mental robustness in part IV.

The end of part III is Rocky’s period of best performance or peak activity as he was undoubtedly the most complete as a fighter in terms of physical and mental robustness as well as skill.

Looking at this you can say Rocky has had different primes in his career. If I was to say which version of Rocky represented him as his most completed version that would be the Rocky in part III that fought Lang in their second fight of the movie.

Rocky III, I would say is the ultimate prime of Rocky.

IOW, you went and looked up the word prime and then decided to constantly repeat the buzz words you found.

http://www.yourdictionary.org/prime

noun

1.a. The period of greatest physical and mental robustness: athletes in the prime of their lives.

b. The period of best performance or peak activity: This car is definitely past its prime. See Synonyms at bloom1.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you went and looked up the word prime and then decided to constantly repeat the buzz words you found.

http://www.yourdictionary.org/prime

noun

1.a. The period of greatest physical and mental robustness: athletes in the prime of their lives.

b. The period of best performance or peak activity: This car is definitely past its prime. See Synonyms at bloom1.

So what? Anyone with internet access could have notice that. What is your point? I know nothing as usual.

I can't wait to hear your next retarded comment.

My point was rather obvious, I'm surprised you weren't able to understand it.

Enlighten me.