Ivan Drago vs Apollo from Rocky II

Started by Robtard24 pages

We're talking fiction here, so Rocky being 21, 33, 42 or 64 doesn't matter, his final montage in Rocky IV was Rocky at his mental and physical best, could call that "Prime"

YouTube video

FFS, he even grew a beard, another visual indicator for the audience that Rocky had finally peaked in manliness and manhood. I swear, some of you people don't pick up on the obvious unless it's spelled out for you, even then some of you still refuse to accept the factual facts

Fiction, doesn't mean all aspects of reality are gone. Physical best, would include all aspects of a person's physicality, such as:
• Strength
• Stamina
• Speed
• Agility
• Durability
• Power

Taking that into account it would be obvious that Rocky IV would not be his ultimate prime. It would be the end of part III.

I don't recall Rocko growing a beard in Rocky III. Am I wrong?

Originally posted by Kotor3
Ok so your trolling. Got it.
I accept your series of concessions.

Robtard, Silent Master, and My most serene highness have won this thread.

Originally posted by Robtard

FFS, he even grew a beard, another visual indicator for the audience that Rocky had finally peaked in manliness and manhood. I swear, some of you people don't pick up on the obvious unless it's spelled out for you, even then some of you still refuse to accept the factual facts
An excellent point. 👆

Rocky IV is clearly better in
• Strength
• Stamina
• Durability
• Power

The only ones that could be argued are
• Speed
• Agility

By Kotor3's own list. Rocky IV is obviously the better example of Rocky in his prime.

Just so everyone understands the maths being used here and there is no miscommunication: 4 > 2

So we can easily say that Rocky IV is at least 200% better than Rocky III, which is supported by the final montage

Originally posted by NemeBro
I accept your series of concessions.

Robtard, Silent Master, and My most serene highness have won this thread.

😆

Not one point addressed. Please don't be like Silent Master and hide behind someone's else comments.

Rocky grew a beard in IV and he had bigger muscles in part II so he must be stronger in part II.

You guys make my day fun.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Rocky grew a beard in IV and he had bigger muscles in part II so he must be stronger in part II.
But Rocky II didn't have "bigger muscles" than Rocky IV. You can clearly see both a size and definition increase in Rocky IV, ie he "shredded" himself as the saying goes.

So even using your visual-method of rating them, Rocky IV is still better

Originally posted by Robtard
Just so everyone understands the maths being used here and there is no miscommunication: 4 > 2

So we can easily say that Rocky IV is at least 200% better than Rocky III, which is supported by the final montage

He kinda looks like Zohan in that pic. 😆

Originally posted by Robtard
But Rocky II didn't have "bigger muscles" than Rocky IV. You can clearly see both a size and definition increase in Rocky IV, ie he "shredded" himself as the saying goes.

So even using your visual-method of rating them, Rocky IV is still better

Uh, wrong he clearly has bigger muscles in II.

Originally posted by Robtard
But Rocky II didn't have "bigger muscles" than Rocky IV. You can clearly see both a size and definition increase in Rocky IV, ie he "shredded" himself as the saying goes.

So even using your visual-method of rating them, Rocky IV is still better

I like how he is basing his opinion on looks, when this was his reaction when he mistakenly thought I was basing my statement on looks.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Much better shape. I know you see some muscles and like a women you say he is much better shape than someone with less muscles.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Uh, wrong he clearly has bigger muscles in II.

Okay, I'll admit it, for a fraction of a millisecond you had Robtard doubting himself if he remembered the Rocky films correctly, a fraction of a millisecond.

But using the scientific method we can mathematically prove that Rocky IV muscles are bigger than Rocky II muscles

Rocky II Vs Rocky IV

Now that you've proven him wrong about Rocky II having bigger muscles, watch him go back to saying that Rocky IV having bigger muscles doesn't mean he's stronger.

Even though muscle size was his argument for Rocky II being stronger.

Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, I'll admit it, for a fraction of a millisecond you had Robtard doubting himself if he remembered the Rocky films correctly, a fraction of a millisecond.

But using the scientific method we can mathematically prove that Rocky IV muscles are bigger than Rocky II muscles

Rocky II Vs Rocky IV

I don't even know why we are having this conversation. Bigger muscles does not equate necessarily to greater strength.

Anyway, Rocky weighted 200 pounds in II and 173 pounds in IV. That is almost a 30 pound difference. His muscles were bigger in II.

Also your counter to my list of what make best physicality is he grew a beard and now you are trying to prove he has bigger muscles. Yes he does have slightly bigger muscles than III but not II.

Also he was much more skilled and agile in part III and more a of a complete fighter. Beard does not counter this fact. Sorry. Neither does your pictures of Rocky.

Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, I'll admit it, for a fraction of a millisecond you had Robtard doubting himself if he remembered the Rocky films correctly, a fraction of a millisecond.

That's impressive in it's own right

Originally posted by Kotor3
I don't even know why we are having this conversation. Bigger muscles does not equate necessarily to greater strength.

Anyway, Rocky weighted 200 pounds in II and 173 pounds in IV. That is almost a 30 pound difference. His muscles were bigger in II.

Also your counter to my list of what make best physicality is he grew a beard and now you are trying to prove he has bigger muscles. Yes he does have slightly bigger muscles than III but not II.

Also he was much more skilled and agile in part III and more a of a complete fighter. Beard does not counter this fact. Sorry. Neither does your pictures of Rocky.

Because you brought it up

Body fat and water weight will do that. The pics clearly show that Rocky IV has not only greater muscle definition, but more muscle mass. Take note of the pectorals, deltoids, abdominals, biceps and assorted muscles of the forearms especially

Your list has been countered, all Rocky III had on Rocky IV is Speed and Agility, which makes sense since boxers lose those first as they age over Strength, power, durability and stamina. But 2 out of 6 traits does not make a superior Balboa. Or using maths: 4 > 2

So you're just going to ignore the pics because they prove Rocky IV had bigger and manlier muscles than Rocky II?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Now that you've proven him wrong about Rocky II having bigger muscles, watch him go back to saying that Rocky IV having bigger muscles doesn't mean he's stronger.

Even though muscle size was his argument for Rocky II being stronger.

Yep, you're right. He just did. LOL.

Originally posted by juggerman
That's impressive in it's own right

I'm not too proud to admit it. Even Ali got hit, what can I say