General Zod (MOS) vs Sebastian Shaw (First Class)

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you have zero feats that prove it'll only take one punch for Zod to realize that forms of attack that include kinetic energy are worthless.

Where in that quote did I say "it'll only take one punch for Zod to realize that forms of attack that include kinetic energy are worthless."?

Do you even have a point?

Were you just wrong or were you purposely lying?

Shaw wins if Zod just tried to punch him or use heat vision (Most likely scenario). IF he thinks outside the box (not likely) sure he could win.

Originally posted by juggerman
There was no "raging" outside of his home planet/people being taken away from him and him basically having no purpose. Unless he's going thru that here as well there is no reason to think he would be "raging"

You guys are taking my comment out of context. I'm not saying he wiil punch him once and then realise he needs to change it up. I said he will hit Shaw thinking only one punch is needed to kill him.

Okay then. I don't agree. I think Zod will unload a flurry of punches and then resort to heat-vision before he realizes "shit, this isn't working"

Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, he planned on killing every single human out of buttrage.

Okay then. I don't agree. I think Zod will unload a flurry of punches and then resort to heat-vision before he realizes "shit, this isn't working"

LMAFO yes. Yes he did. But again that buttrage was due to him losing his home and Kal taking away his only hope to bring it back. Earlier in the movie he planned on treeaforming Earth and killing the humans but he wasn't raging about it. Just a casual "eh they're gonna die so we can keep living". It wasn't until Kal killed Krypton that he was a rage monster

Agree to disagree then

Most likely he'd just punch and use heat vision. That is what he was shown doing. It's really that simple, and if he does that, he'll lose. It's also that simple.

Originally posted by juggerman
LMAFO yes. Yes he did. But again that buttrage was due to him losing his home and Kal taking away his only hope to bring it back. Earlier in the movie he planned on treeaforming Earth and killing the humans but he wasn't raging about it. Just a casual "eh they're gonna die so we can keep living". It wasn't until Kal killed Krypton that he was a rage monster

Agree to disagree then

I'm pretty sure we use characters as they were last seen alive, unless specifics are mentioned in the OP. So the last time we saw Zod alive he was buttraging and wanted every single human dead out of spite

Why he'll go at smug-faced Shaw full out, imo

Originally posted by juggerman
Were you just wrong or were you purposely lying?

Since you're claiming that wasn't your point, I'm asking if you actually had one with that line of arguing.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm pretty sure we use characters as they were last seen alive, unless specifics are mentioned in the OP. So the last time we saw Zod alive he was buttraging and wanted every single human dead out of spite

Why he'll go at smug-faced Shaw full out, imo

I think we need to use the character as a whole and not just their final buttrage filled moments.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since you're claiming that wasn't your point, I'm asking if you actually had one with that line of arguing.

I've posted my point. It's here in black and white. You could just read it instead of strawmanning.

So you claim that I'm wrong about your point, but refuse to actually tell me what your point is. yea, that is one of quan's tactics, I guess there is no point in trying to have a reasoned debate with you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you claim that I'm wrong about your point, but refuse to actually tell me what your point is. yea, that is one of quan's tactics, I guess there is no point in trying to have a reasoned debate with you.

I guess strawmanning is your idea of a "reasoned debate". Good job there.

Is it really too much to ask that you actually read my point and respond accordingly without making stuff up? Yeah, I'm sure trying to keep the debate honest is quan-like but you strawmanning is on the up and up 😂

I've read your posts already, so instead of just correcting me, you tell me to re-read the thread, that is quan101. if you were at all interested in a real discussion you would have said something like.

That isn't an accurate summary of my point, my point was actually ___________

theres such a huge difference in power between Shaw and Zod that I think either Zod realizes whats up after a few attempts the brute force way and switches it up or he overloads Shaw, either way Zods power is far above any mutant or device Shaw used in first class to amp himself up

Originally posted by relentless1
theres such a huge difference in power between Shaw and Zod that I think either Zod realizes whats up after a few attempts the brute force way and switches it up or he overloads Shaw, either way Zods power is far above any mutant or device Shaw used in first class to amp himself up

"They are ready for war. We just need to strike another match to light the fuse. And we still have the most powerful weapon of all. Me! Turn the nuclear reactor to one hundred output, and make sure I'm not disturbed." -Sebastian Shaw

Shaw was going to turn himself into a nuclear bomb that would have destroyed both the US and USSR fleets, setting off WWIII and his plans into motion

Originally posted by Mindset
Zod's power isn't beyond a nuke.

Nor is Shaw's. 👆

Originally posted by ares834
Nor is Shaw's. 👆

can I please see any display from Zod that's beyond a Nuclear bomb. People keep saying that he'll overload Zod but don't offer any proof as to how with what we've seen from Zod