The Galactic Empire vs Vitiates Sith Empire

While the stronger ones can only be in so many places at once... there's still like, a dozen stronger ones. And even more not-quite-as-strong ones that can work together to similar effect.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Oh just saying but the name of the Inquisitor was Brakiss. He could cause solar flares and even destroy stars if he wanted to.

A couple things there. I don't think Brakiss actually could do stars, he just thought about it- and he only got strong enough to do flares in the same period that Jaina and Jacen were at the Academy.

At the time the Emperor and Vader alive, he's young and weak.

The best Inquisitors/others are Jerec, Laddinare Torbin, Mara Jade, and Arden Lyn, and maybe Chronal and Lumiya, I think.

Only a few who could stand up to Vindican, in other words, let alone Baras, Malgus, and similar.

Imperial Inquisitors might do well against the rank-and-file of Viti's Sith, but they're not taking down the higher ups. People like Malgus would eat them alive.

Though that's just a duel. Palpatine's Hands and Inquisitors have other utility as saboteurs, spies, assassins, etc.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Imperial Inquisitors might do well against the rank-and-file of Viti's Sith, but they're not taking down the higher ups. People like Malgus would eat them alive.

Though that's just a duel. Palpatine's Hands and Inquisitors have other utility as saboteurs, spies, assassins, etc.

Sure, but likewise, rank and file sith serve as pretty great saboteurs, spies, and assassins!

Honestly 20,000+ Imperial Star Destroyers is more than enough to invade Sith space and pile the Executors, Allegiances, Bellators, etc... in on that and you have an instant-win.

Originally posted by Q99
Sure, but likewise, rank and file sith serve as pretty great saboteurs, spies, and assassins!

Nah, I'd definitely put Palpatine's proteges well ahead of any rank-and-file Sithling in that arena.

The first DS was like making 24 million Star Destroyers in just 5 years. What was the biggest thing Vitiate's Empire created? And in what time-frame?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
When I go into a thread entertaining the notion that VitiateSidious can curbstomp universal threats, you'll have a leg to stand on. But I'm not stupid and so for the purposes of this metaphor you might as well be a quadriplegic.

It's not PT wanking to claim that the faction with vastly greater numbers, technology, and resources curbstomps the lesser faction.

But perhaps your TOR wankery requires any defeat by a TOR faction to be some sort of close contest?

You're silly.

LMAO What a no life.

I don't consider them to be universal beings for several reasons I've explained in prior discussions.

About the discussion in this thread, the force factor is the only thing that makes me believe it won't be a curbstomp.

"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious doesn't have galaxy wide battle meditation though. ❌

And Sidious and Vitiate can't do anything anyway.

"Palpatine knew precisely why the Empire couldn’t last without his dread power: he had designed it that way. No one ever suspected how much he relied on the Dark Side of the Force. He shaped those of his government by using the Force against them. He used it to control his fleets and to drive his soldiers on to victory. He used it to destroy his enemies from a distance and learn of conspiracies against him. Without it, there was no way the Empire could endure, as he had designed it. The Dark Side flowed through him like some primordial ichor and was the key to all his power."

Originally posted by Selenial
"Palpatine knew precisely why the Empire couldn’t last without his dread power: he had designed it that way. No one ever suspected how much he relied on the Dark Side of the Force. He shaped those of his government by using the Force against them. He used it to control his fleets and to drive his soldiers on to victory. He used it to destroy his enemies from a distance and learn of conspiracies against him. Without it, there was no way the Empire could endure, as he had designed it. The Dark Side flowed through him like some primordial ichor and was the key to all his power."

That Sidious could use BM doesn't suggest he could do it across the galaxy. Your quote doesn't even remotely imply that. Sidious wasn't even using Battle Meditation at Endor. He had someone doing that for him.

Originally posted by Sinious
LMAO What a no life.

I don't consider them to be universal beings for several reasons I've explained in prior discussions.

Yes, yes. You don't consider them universal threats because then they'd make Vitiate look even more inadequate and only Vitiate could ever possibly be a universal threat.

Out of curiosity, when Vitiate is totally forgotten about in-and-out-of universe in the next 5 years, will that totally send you into some sort of epic emotional tailspin? Because while we clearly disagree, I rather like you and am genuinely concerned for your psychological well-being.

Originally posted by Sinious
About the discussion in this thread, the force factor is the only thing that makes me believe it won't be a curbstomp.

"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

Imagine Vader's embarrassment when he saw the Forcea torpedo take the Death Star down.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That Sidious could use BM doesn't suggest he could do it across the galaxy. Your quote doesn't even remotely imply that. Sidious wasn't even using Battle Meditation at Endor. He had someone doing that for him.

Seeing as he says that the entire empire would fall apart without it... It kind of does imply that.

By the by, it's also not helping the SE any in regarding their military is quite low compared to the GE by like....a lot.

Battle of Bothawui, it was considered unprecedented for the SE to use an army of 50k strong.

That is laughable compared to the Imperial Army, which not only number in the tens of trillions. But their Army organization is 131, 072 Army Troopers, along with support.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yes, yes. You don't consider them universal threats because then they'd make Vitiate look even more inadequate and only Vitiate could ever possibly be a universal threat.

Out of curiosity, when Vitiate is totally forgotten about in-and-out-of universe in the next 5 years, will that totally send you into some sort of epic emotional tailspin? Because while we clearly disagree, I rather like you and am genuinely concerned for your psychological well-being.

Imagine Vader's embarrassment when he saw the Forcea torpedo take the Death Star down.

Originally posted by Sinious
You keep bringing up Vitiate even though I've told you that I consider him to be inferior to much lesser beings. You instead of creating counter arguments, make claims about my motives to justify your douchiness which is nothing but sad.

I rather like you

I'll frame this. 🤘

Originally posted by Selenial
Seeing as he says that the entire empire would fall apart without it... It kind of does imply that.

But... when Sidious dies he's not even using BM. And no, it doesn't imply that. His ability to influence battles is only one aspect of many he mentions. And I seriously don't understand how you take it that just because his BM was vital that it had to be galaxy-spanning. The Republic would have fallen without Bastila's BM, should be give her the same ludicrous levels that you're giving him? It's infinitely more probable that he's referring to using it in selective occasions.

It's also ridiculous and idiotic since the Empire held the overwhelming military advantage and didn't need Battle Meditation to maintain that. So what he says and how you're extrapolating it as isn't even that accurate. The Empire fell for entirely difference reasons than a lack of BM.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But... when Sidious dies he's not even using BM. And no, it doesn't imply that. His ability to influence battles is only one aspect of many he mentions. And I seriously don't understand how you take it that just because his BM was vital that it had to be galaxy-spanning. The Republic would have fallen without Bastila's BM, should be give her the same ludicrous levels that you're giving him? It's infinitely more probable that he's referring to using it in selective occasions.

It's also ridiculous and idiotic since the Empire held the overwhelming military advantage and didn't need Battle Meditation to maintain that. So what he says and how you're extrapolating it as isn't even that accurate. The Empire fell for entirely difference reasons than a lack of BM.

Sidious never once led a fleet, so the fact that he used BM to secure fleet victories means he can use it across the galaxy.

And he's not referring to a military struggle, but the ability to keep striving imperial hopefuls in line. There's a reason no imperial warlord managed to take full command after he died.

Originally posted by Sinious
I'll frame this. 🤘

If you learn to debate better, I'll even autograph it for you. 👆

Become my apprentice and I'll teach you all that you need to know about things like the truth, facts, and how to properly convey your righteous message.

Galactic Empire has the better tech and weapons so the hulking brooks can't do anything against bombs and at-a4

Originally posted by Selenial
Sidious never once led a fleet, so the fact that he used BM to secure fleet victories means he can use it across the galaxy.

And he's not referring to a military struggle, but the ability to keep striving imperial hopefuls in line. There's a reason no imperial warlord managed to take full command after he died.

At most that means he can project it across some unknown level of distance. Though I highly doubt you can prove that he didn't or that he wasn't close enough to influence fleets without taking part in the battle. Bastila never lead a fleet either, she was just present enough to use it. But of course my other point stands, if his BM was so hax then why wasn't he using it in his most important battle at Endor?

He specifically says "to drive his soldiers on to victory" and mentions fleets, not his hopefuls. Almost managed that dodge though.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
If you learn to debate better, I'll even autograph it for you. 👆

Become my apprentice and I'll teach you all that you need to know about things like the truth, facts, and how to properly convey your righteous message.

I have a problem with authority. Besides, you turn into an ahole too quickly over petty things. You need to mature up a bit for me to acknowledge your greatness.

I'll be honest though, I keep learning new words from you.

Originally posted by Sinious
I have a problem with authority. Besides, you turn into an ahole too quickly over petty things. You need to mature up a bit for me to acknowledge your greatness.

I'll be honest though, I keep learning new words from you.

You don't need to publicly acknowledge my greatness, I'm perceptive enough to recognize your quiet envy of it. But seriously: once you come to terms with the fact that the object of your affections is slipping inevitably towards total irrelevance, you'll be a much stronger e-warrior.

Accept Vitiate's inferiority, my son. Let acceptance soothe you like a cooling balm to your wounded soul.

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