More to the point, Since Vitiate and Sidious can't actually participate, it's the rest of the Sith vs. Vader and the Emperor's Hands. It's not just Vader leading the Empire, it's Mara Jade, Lumiya, and so on. It helps a LOT of Sidious gets to use an adult Mara or an adult Lumiya instead of teen Mara and Shira Brie.
WHo think than 3.0 awsome?
"Shadow of REEVAAN = Total shit they make Revan look a total idiots !!!! I love the idea of a collaboration between some people of teh republic and the empire.... Because there is bastard and good guys from both sides.....
This is fan fiction bad fan fiction with fan service bad very bad fan service this is activision stuff !!!!
But not an entire motehr ****ing operation with the entire republic and the empire allied !!!
O.K in the secret a sith work with a Jedi because they don't have the choice and at the end they kill each other or the Jedi fall to the dark side etc....
But there is NO ****ING WAY FOR THE ENTIRE REPUBLIC AND EMPIRE TO MAKE A COLLABORATION especially after what happen with the coruscant traity... You can imagine than this stuff is ment to be serious... You cannot made a mature and serious thing with such ridiculous content.. Not from the commandement.... Not an organized collaboration...
And did the story make any sens..? First I have no problem with Revan taking over the agalaxy and wiping Vitiate forever... I don't really like Revan the man who have his redemption, I prefer darth Revan... But damn first of all Light side and dark side Revan.. Revan is just.. himself he have no Dark no light in his person this is only surface thoughts ! And that's what make this character great is own affiliation to the force... As a sith he can be a really good and carefull man and a big bastard as a Jedi,here, he is splitted between a winny hypocryte jedi *******, who give up the fight because he is a lazy selfish dick. And a dicky sith lord who is totaly blind by the force and doesn't know what he does... (Agen Kolar N°2 yhea !).
Revan where Revan normaly have an absolute mastery over his emotions in KotOR describtion of post KotOR Revan and Darth Revan....
Her blinded by his rage he resurected the emperor than he sick to destroy blinded by his rage.. The irony is that the emperor is completly depressiv and want to die because he became so weak than he couldn't arm anyone...
how can Revan fail at this point? After all this time pass in the Trayus academmy and emperor mind, he should at least know a ritual to kill him.. But know he heal him in order to kill him after (best Idea ever !!!!)....."
Who say it? I swear I'm seen it !!! he edit his post !
Originally posted by Nephthys
2 force users being better doesn't help him that much tbh. Compared to the legions of Sith Assassins the other side has, I mean. And Cipher 9.And the Children of the Emperor???? Shit, thats a ****ing trump card I forgot about.
Yea, there's a ton of that.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
remember Sidious and Vitiate are allowed to sit on their thrones and be tacticians. They just cant go out and kick ass themselves
Which probably hurts Sidious more- his best strategy would be to go and browbeat a couple Dark Councilors into starting an internal conflict to handle the sith menace.
The proper strategy for the SE is to swarm Sidious with as many assassins as possible...
Hm, can they send assassins at each other while sitting on their thrones? Like, not offensive, but can Vitiate send Cipher 9, his Wrath, Baras, Nox, and a few more peeps together to try and off Sidious?
Why couldn't Sidious do the same? There's plenty of assassins really, kinda works both ways imo.
Plus I think were ignoring the tech advantage here among other things the GE has. Just because the SE has an abundance of Force Users, doesn't = an instant win. The GE has clear capabilities of taking out Force Users anyway.
The tech side is what is being overlooked here tbh, which falls in favor of the GE, among also having pretty stellar tacticians both fleet and ground.
I mean the SE may have an abundance of Force Users sure, but how's that gonna look when SE fleets are destroyed? BDZs done from orbit and the like, so on.
They got Death Stars, They got Death Stars...word to all you Vada Hata's out there in the Sith Empire, we'll blow your planet up!
...Comes to that, how does the Sith Empire prevent Vitiate's homeworld from getting Alderaaned?
Vitiate doesn't exactly have any obscenely plot armored guys named Skywalker lying around...
Originally posted by Angelalex242
They got Death Stars, They got Death Stars...word to all you Vada Hata's out there in the Sith Empire, we'll blow your planet up!...Comes to that, how does the Sith Empire prevent Vitiate's homeworld from getting Alderaaned?
Vitiate doesn't exactly have any obscenely plot armored guys named Skywalker lying around...
Nor the DS plans, so they'll probably think they should just send a mass fleet against the DS which isn't a wise move considering that the DS is designed around a large scale assault.
Now the SE could acquire said plans, but really the SE fighters aren't that good compared to X-wings or Y-wings that were completely destroyed by only a squadron of TIE fighters.
Plus then you have the 2nd DS too which is also a problem...among other superweapons.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
That actually hurts your argument more than helps it, as it's worth noting that immediately after destroying said super-weapon, he and his band of Rebels had to run for their lives (vacating Yavin) because they had zero chance of defeating the rest of the Imperial Fleet once it came for them in an open engagement.Thus emphasizing the point about super-weapons and individual badasses not compensating for sheer technological and logistical superiority.
Nah they were on the run to protect their secret weapon Luke in Rebel Forces and even made some stops for Leia to gather allies. Hence emphasizing the importance of a single force user. Just sayin'
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Why couldn't Sidious do the same? There's plenty of assassins really, kinda works both ways imo.
Because his assassins, aside from a handful of Hands, aren't force sensitive, they're weaker and less powerful and can't do a lot of stuff a Sith assassin can, and when the two come into conflict, the Sith will win.
A giant Sith Order is the Sith Empire's major advantage, period. It's about the only advantage they have, but it does mean in areas like covert ops, they are without a doubt superior.
Plus I think were ignoring the tech advantage here among other things the GE has. Just because the SE has an abundance of Force Users, doesn't = an instant win.
Of course it doesn't. Conventionally, the GE is quite superior, and they merely need to hold off the Sith in the covert side of things for a bit in order to win. And the raw conventional advantage will end up killing a good number of Sith.
I think most of us are noting that.
That doesn't mean the Sith aren't still very dangerous, though, and the Vitiate Empire's ace in the hole, the only thing that gives them a chance.
Originally posted by Q99
Because his assassins, aside from a handful of Hands, aren't force sensitive, they're weaker and less powerful and can't do a lot of stuff a Sith assassin can, and when the two come into conflict, the Sith will win.A giant Sith Order is the Sith Empire's major advantage, period. It's about the only advantage they have, but it does mean in areas like covert ops, they are without a doubt superior.
Of course it doesn't. Conventionally, the GE is quite superior, and they merely need to hold off the Sith in the covert side of things for a bit in order to win. And the raw conventional advantage will end up killing a good number of Sith.
I think most of us are noting that.
That doesn't mean the Sith aren't still very dangerous, though, and the Vitiate Empire's ace in the hole, the only thing that gives them a chance.
Imperial Inquisitors? Shadow Guards? Royal Guards? Prophets of the Dark Side? All these guys are highly capable in doing assassinations.
Also define Sith Assassin.
What info do we exactly have, that makes the nameless Sith dudes superior to the guys that Palps has?
Info is all I'm really asking for.
Numbers wise, I get it, sure that's a no brainer. But I don't think that the average Sith dude is gonna be flat out superior to everyone in the GE.
Q99 mentioned no sense of scale. Speaking of that, now that I really think about it, Palpatine was able to populate just one planet with over 19 billion, building entire cities within years. We're not talking about a mere single planet, but an entire galactic wide Empire in which Palpatine had free reign to constantly build. The growth in numbers had to be millions a day, especially considering the effort and resources put into building an unprecedented military. Millions of fodder sith would be unnoticed, except for the ones going down to them. The most powerful sith are at the very top.
The only way a hypothetical battle like this could work is if we assume the two different time periods to be two different galaxies. Not only is Palpatine's galaxy more populated than Vitiate's, but he also had near full control over it and had absolute reign to constantly build, whereas Vitiate did not. We're talking about wave after wave of assaults, depending on the strategy, but regardless, the number difference would be ridiculously high in favor of the GE. It'd be like an ant colony swarming over and eating away at a beetle, completely covering it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well based on Rebels, Inquisitor's are nothing special.Nothing on Vitiate's Inquisitor's at least.
Eh I'm using the Legends stuff. 😛
I actually made a thread on the Inquisitors, if ya wanna take a gander.