Stop stealing white peoples superheroes

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure what's greater in this thread, the racism or whining.

Who the **** cares if a comic-character's standard "race" is changed when 99% of the time the character's "race" is irrelevant to their story. I can understand if a character like the Red Skull was cast as Black or Asian or any non-white, since being "Aryan" is an intrinsic part of the charater.

eg People whining over the possibility of Spider-Man going black, when it doesn't matter. Peter Parker is an awkward nerdy kid, his "white" skin is next to irrelevant to his backstory

eg Does a black Johnny Storm matter when they added the change of "adopted" to his backstory? No, it does not.

eg People crying over a black Heimdall, when he's Asgardian (ie an alien for all intents) and not an actual Scandinavian

/endrant

Originally posted by Mindset
LEAVE MY BEAUTIFUL WHITE CHARACTERS ALONE!

Spiderman can be blacker than Bernie Mac, Two Charlie Murphy's and Akon... Peter Parker, however, is a white boy, so is Bruce Wayne and Steve Rogers. T'Challa is black, so is Virgil Hawkins. Danny Rand is Asian, so is Lady Shiva.

Idgaf if you wanna make a Batman movie with a black dude in the role, just don't call him Bruce Wayne.

Danny is white doe.

lol. i was thinking about Shang and wrote Danny for some reason.

mindset, don't come at me with all your facts.

Originally posted by marwash22
Spiderman can be blacker than Bernie Mac, Two Charlie Murphy's and Akon... Peter Parker, however, is a white boy, so is Bruce Wayne and Steve Rogers. T'Challa is black, so is Virgil Hawkins. Danny Rand is Asian, so is Lady Shiva.

Idgaf if you wanna make a Batman movie with a black dude in the role, just don't call him Bruce Wayne.

But many of the white heroes are white for the sole reason that when they were created, black people in a comic book aside from background or supporting characters was practically unheard of. Even having them in comics at all was rare.

If a character's race isn't an integral part of their backstory, changing it shouldn't do that much harm when it comes to the actual story. Like the Fantastic Four. Johnny and Sue being white has nothing to do with them being Johnny and Sue Storm. They're just white. Now Static wouldn't be Static if he wasn't a black kid from a really bad neighborhood and all that good stuff, because his race and background are integral to his story.

Originally posted by marwash22
Spiderman can be blacker than Bernie Mac, Two Charlie Murphy's and Akon... Peter Parker, however, is a white boy, so is Bruce Wayne and Steve Rogers. T'Challa is black, so is Virgil Hawkins. Danny Rand is Asian, so is Lady Shiva.

Idgaf if you wanna make a Batman movie with a black dude in the role, just don't call him Bruce Wayne.

This racist racism

Originally posted by KingD19
But many of the white heroes are white for the sole reason that when they were created, black people in a comic book aside from background or supporting characters was practically unheard of. Even having them in comics at all was rare.

If a character's race isn't an integral part of their backstory, changing it shouldn't do that much harm when it comes to the actual story. Like the Fantastic Four. Johnny and Sue being white has nothing to do with them being Johnny and Sue Storm. They're just white. Now Static wouldn't be Static if he wasn't a black kid from a really bad neighborhood and all that good stuff, because his race and background are integral to his story.

I've used Captain America as an example before, as i think he's one of the only characters who would benefit from being changed to Black (or a Jewish man) because it would add a whole new dynamic to the character's story. Unless you're gonna add social commentary to the story, making a white character black makes no sense.

Originally posted by marwash22
Okay, the characters were created by white men in a time where black characters wouldn't have been marketable... changing their ethnic background doesn't do any real harm, but what good does it do now?

I've used Captain America as an example before, as i think he's one of the only characters who would benefit from being changed to Black (or a Jewish man) because it would add a whole new dynamic to the character's story. Unless you're gonna add social commentary to the story, making a white character black makes no sense.

I never said it does any good. I said it doesn't do any harm. If a characters race is never mentioned as an important part of their history, changing them is weird, but wouldn't make them a different character.

When it comes to movies though, there's a different dynamic. You can't just draw a character on a page; you have to bring them to life on the screen. So in that case, when a character like Heimdall who is like Rob pointed out, an alien, is cast as a black guy, if he's a good actor and can sell the role(like Idris has), then changing the race again does no harm. Especially since the character was never pointed out as being white for the sake of his story.

Originally posted by marwash22

I've used Captain America as an example before, as i think he's one of the only characters who would benefit from being changed to Black (or a Jewish man) because it would add a whole new dynamic to the character's story. Unless you're gonna add social commentary to the story, making a white character black makes no sense.

Now a black Spider-Man. Parker is a nerd, being white, Asian, black etc, doesn't really matter too much to his backstory

Originally posted by marwash22
Okay, the characters were created by white men in a time where black characters wouldn't have been marketable... changing their ethnic background doesn't do any real harm, but what good does it do now?

As far as casting in movies goes, it allows for the right actor to get the job regardless of race.

Dude Peter Parker can not be a black person because there are no black kids in Queens being raised by their aunt who likes science and takes photography it's just not possible

Originally posted by Quincy
Dude Peter Parker can not be a black person because there are no black kids in Queens being raised by their aunt who likes science and takes photography it's just not possible

I agree.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Still discussing race on the internet like it matters, yall a bunch of ******.

Yeah, you're really someone to comment on how people view race... hmm

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure what's greater in this thread, the racism or whining.

Who the **** cares if a comic-character's standard "race" is changed when 99% of the time the character's "race" is irrelevant to their story. I can understand if a character like the Red Skull was cast as Black or Asian or any non-white, since being "Aryan" is an intrinsic part of the charater.

eg People whining over the possibility of Spider-Man going black, when it doesn't matter. Peter Parker is an awkward nerdy kid, his "white" skin is next to irrelevant to his backstory

eg Does a black Johnny Storm matter when they added the change of "adopted" to his backstory? No, it does not.

eg People crying over a black Heimdall, when he's Asgardian (ie an alien for all intents) and not an actual Scandinavian

/endrant

How is it racism? I don't get it. People would ***** if they made Superman wear, oh I dunno, green and yellow. They'd whine if Batman started wearing red. They whined when Thor was made a woman. How is a character's race, which has existed for decades, not part of their character?

You can apply the "nothing would be any different if they changed x" to a lot of things, some of which most companies wouldn't dare change. But race is somehow exempt from it?

I'm genuinely asking here.

tbh though, I liked Heimdall. Though that's mostly because Idris Elba is awesome.

Originally posted by Quincy
Dude Peter Parker can not be a black person because there are no black kids in Queens being raised by their aunt who likes science and takes photography it's just not possible

So from the time Peter Parker was established as a character in August 1962, to 2015...in those 53 years never has there been at least one black kid in the 178.3 miles that encompasses Queens raised by his aunt who likes science and photography?

Originally posted by KingD19
So from the time Peter Parker was established as a character in August 1962, to 2015...in those 53 years never has there been at least one black kid in the 178.3 miles that encompasses Queens raised by his aunt who likes science and photography?

I think he was being sarcastic.

Originally posted by KingD19
I never said it does any good. I said it doesn't do any harm. If a characters race is never mentioned as an important part of their history, changing them is weird, but wouldn't make them a different character.

Originally posted by Mindset
As far as casting in movies goes, it allows for the right actor to get the job regardless of race.

With all the white actors out there, you can't possibly tell me that they're isn't a white guy right for the role of a white character.

Originally posted by Robtard
Black Captain would be one of the ones were the backstory would have to change drastically, since he's the super-soldier from the 40's, a time in America (certain parts) where hanging black people from trees was normal and even the military had open racist views in regards to non whites

yeah, i know. The argument could be had after the fact as to whether or not the drastic change was a good or bad thing, but the fact remains the change would be relevant and have an impact on the story.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now a black Spider-Man. Parker is a nerd, being white, Asian, black etc, doesn't really matter too much to his backstory

I don't get why you're advocating for a change that has no relevance.

It would be like waking up tomorrow with an entirely new set of currency, only to find out the new currency has the same value as the old... like, wtf did you change it for if nothing new is added. You're pissing people off for no reason. All i want is a reason for change.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, you're really someone to comment on how people view race... hmm

How is it racism? I don't get it. People would ***** if they made Superman wear, oh I dunno, green and yellow. They'd whine if Batman started wearing red. They whined when Thor was made a woman. How is a character's race, which has existed for decades, not part of their character?

You can apply the "nothing would be any different if they changed x" to a lot of things, some of which most companies wouldn't dare change. But race is somehow exempt from it?

I'm genuinely asking here.

tbh though, I liked Heimdall. Though that's mostly because Idris Elba is awesome.

Heimdall being black worked in the movies because his being white in the comics isn't integral to the character. Same reason it worked with Kingpin and Nick Fury. There is empirical evidence to show that changing the race of a character doesn't have a negative affect, or really any effect at all.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think he was being sarcastic.

I was too. I forgot to put the smiley in there.

dude