Stop stealing white peoples superheroes

Originally posted by Mindset
Most of the things you mentioned are iconic and/or integral parts of the character's history.

Heimdall being black worked in the movies because his being white in the comics isn't integral to the character. Same reason it worked with Kingpin and Nick Fury. There is empirical evidence to show that changing the race of a character doesn't have a negative affect, or really any effect at all.

Except that with Aquaman, it's changing more than his skin-colour, which was my entire point.

His backstory is being changed to suit the ethnicity of Jason Momoa.

If they turn around and it's not Athur Curry, I honestly won't care. I might even like the movie.

Either way, I just don't get it. A character's race is somehow less part of their look than their costume is?

I don't believe I'm racist, yet it seems I'm being perceived as such just because I want Aquaman to get the same treatment Iron Man and Thor got.

Originally posted by marwash22

sure, if you're talking about a character whose ethnicity is that of a person who isn't well represented in the acting community. For instance, in "Exodus", casting Christian Bale over a person who actually fits the ethnic background of the character makes sense because Bale is a better actor than any Egyptian actor you can name... in that case, the best actor got the role.

With all the white actors out there, you can't possibly tell me that they're isn't a white guy right for the role of a white character.

Also, your example isn't really a good one. The races of the people in the story of Moses are integral parts of the story. I guess they could pretend a white guy (Bale) is an Israelite, but it wouldn't make sense if they cast Denzel Washington, or Ken Wantanabe to play Moses as they're clearly not.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that with Aquaman, it's changing more than his skin-colour, which was my entire point.

His backstory is being changed to suit the ethnicity of Jason Momoa.

If they turn around and it's not Athur Curry, I honestly won't care. I might even like the movie.

Either way, I just don't get it. A character's race is somehow less part of their look than their costume is?

I don't believe I'm racist, yet it seems I'm being perceived as such just because I want Aquaman to get the same treatment Iron Man and Thor got.

Because Superman's red and blue costume is iconic and Heimdall/Kingpin/Nick Fury being white isn't.

Originally posted by Mindset
He was a symbol for the ideal American man in the 40's.

They were racist in the 40's.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Captain America was created to be the heroic symbol and face of the American war effort, inspiring US troops and leading them to victory.

Black people were still getting lynched in America for knowing how to read during those times.

ninja'd

Originally posted by Galan007
The good old days. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
Shaft being black is arguably important to his character/identity, sort of like Captain America one might say.

Aquaman being white isn't.

You might say,"Oh, well just create new cool black/hispanic/asian/gay/brony/whatever characters", but see, here's the thing: movies have a finite screen time. They can't just create a black character and be done with it. Then they have another character who they have to make interesting and complex, one who detracts from the screen time of the more major players. The reason the ethnicity of an established character is altered is because then one is able to have a more ethnically diverse cast of characters without distracting viewers from the more central aspects of the movie. It's the most efficient way of both creating a cool black character without bringing down the film's quality.

So really, why do you care?

GotG isn't really a comic with A list characters, but the movie was a hit. So there's no reason for all this forced political correctness when there are several characters from Marvel and DC that aren't White which movies could be built upon. Call me a stickler but I think the movies should at least try to stay true to the source material. I didn't think the prior FF movies were great, though I enjoyed them, because they changed Doom's entire origins. For me, comic book move adaptions are more enjoyable when the source material is respected.

So I'm not sure if you're doing one of your little "stand up to mods" routine, or if you're trying to start up for no reason. Either way it's not worth any more time chatting with you. Keep fighting the good fight. 👆

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, you're really someone to comment on how people view race... hmm

How is it racism? I don't get it. People would ***** if they made Superman wear, oh I dunno, green and yellow. They'd whine if Batman started wearing red. They whined when Thor was made a woman. How is a character's race, which has existed for decades, not part of their character?

You can apply the "nothing would be any different if they changed x" to a lot of things, some of which most companies wouldn't dare change. But race is somehow exempt from it?

I'm genuinely asking here.

tbh though, I liked Heimdall. Though that's mostly because Idris Elba is awesome.

That was more just busting balls, the "racism"

I'd say that a character's costume is more important than their skin color. The costume in a way makes the character who they are, not their skin color, withstanding the characters whose race/skin color is an integral part of their character

See, you got over your racism and looked pasted Heimdall's coco skin 👆

Originally posted by Mindset
I wasn't talking about AM, you're the only one who cares about him. I was only talking about real super heroes. lulface

Because Superman's red and blue costume is iconic and Heimdall/Kingpin/Nick Fury being white isn't.

😂

I honestly didn't mind it with Kingpin, Heimdall or Fury, and besides, Fury was like that in the comics already, so I honestly don't think he counts.

I would argue that Aquaman is, as a character, far more iconic than either of those people.

Originally posted by Badabing
Classic Galan Who said I cared? I simply added my opinion to the discussion. Your notion that Shaft being Black is important, Cap being White is important, and Aquaman not being White isn't important is your opinion, as well as it's my opinion that writers should make interesting non-White characters. I wouldn't want a Blade movie where Blade was White, Asian, Latino, etc. And who's talking about writers for movies? I was talking about the source material, comics. Comics have 40 years of popular characters who are not White.

GotG isn't really a comic with A list characters, but the movie was a hit. So there's no reason for all this forced political correctness when there are several characters from Marvel and DC that aren't White which movies could be built upon. Call me a stickler but I think the movies should at least try to stay true to the source material. I didn't think the prior FF movies were great, though I enjoyed them, because they changed Doom's entire origins. For me, comic book move adaptions are more enjoyable when the source material is respected.

So I'm not sure if you're doing one of your little "stand up to mods" routine, or if you're trying to start up for no reason. Either way it's not worth any more time chatting with you. Keep fighting the good fight. 👆

to add to it, they don't have to make new black/Hispanic/Asian characters. they could just use one from their vast library of characters already in existence.

Originally posted by Robtard
That was more just busting balls, the "racism"

I'd say that a character's costume is more important than their skin color. The costume in a way makes the character who they are, not their skin color, withstanding the characters whose race/skin color is an integral part of their character

See, you got over your racism and looked pasted Heimdall's coco skin 👆

lol.

I guess I just don't see how a character's race is separate from their "look".

That's just me I guess.

I think what this comes down to is if you care a great deal for the character, you're upset if something changes about them, aesthetically or otherwise.

Originally posted by marwash22
yeah, i know. The argument could be had after the fact as to whether or not the drastic change was a good or bad thing, but the fact remains the change would be relevant and have an impact on the story.

so why do it, rob? If all you're gonna is have Peter Parker be a black guy, and nothing is changed within the context of the story, what's the point?

I don't get why you're advocating for a change that has no relevance.

It would be like waking up tomorrow with an entirely new set of currency, only to find out the new currency has the same value as the old... like, wtf did you change it for if nothing new is added. You're pissing people off for no reason. All i want is a reason for change.

I'm not strictly against a black Captain America, but if they're keeping the origins the same, the backstory would need some major reworking

It was never a "this/that hero needs to be Black", just that with most characters it wouldn't matter and if a black, Asian etc actor is perfect for the role, let him/her do it

See above, the reason would be casting the right/best actor for the role and skin color is all but irrelevant. See: Heimdall as a good example in how casting a top actor made a minor character fun and skin color didn't matter two shits

Originally posted by Quincy
I think what this comes down to is if you care a great deal for the character, you're upset if something changes about them, aesthetically or otherwise.

obviously that's a part of it, yeah.

Originally posted by Quincy
I think what this comes down to is if you care a great deal for the character, you're upset if something changes about them, aesthetically or otherwise.

Originally posted by marwash22

Idgaf if you wanna make a Batman movie with a black dude in the role, just don't call him Bruce Wayne.

Bruce Lil' Wayne?

Originally posted by Supermex
Plz relax

No need to be a real *****.

But a racist rant by someone who describes a Black Cap America as "A spit in the face" is ok?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Bruce Lil' Wayne?

With a cameo from Nightwing aka Big Dick Grayson.

Originally posted by Star428
Making CA black? Seriously? Who's next? Superman? Wonder Woman? LOL. I'm sorry but doing something like that is utterly ridiculous. You wanna change the race of a lesser known character fine but don't make such a drastic change to the appearance of the icons we all grew up watching and reading and are such a huge part of our culture. That's like spitting in our faces. You wanna call me a "racist" for feeling that way then I don't really give a ****.

A racist rant by any other name is still just as racist

Originally posted by Astner

Uncle Sam looks more Arabic than Henri Ducard.

Either way. This happens all the time and no one bats an eye.

But as soon as a black gets the role of the white character the slack-jaws start crying "white genocide."

While the slack-jaw types are the ones to flip their shit when a Black actor is cast in a "white" characters role, the example of Katara is a bit silly.

She's tan, blue eyed and medium-brown haired, she could very well be Caucasian, or mixed or not at all. She and her people are likely "race" ambiguous like many of the Kingdoms.

I don't blame Astner though for the error, he's animation ignorant for the most part

I though the Northern and Southern water tribe members were clearly based off of Inuits. They're basically Eskimo's with water powers.

Originally posted by KingD19
I though the Northern and Southern water tribe members were clearly based off of Inuits. They're basically Eskimo's with water powers.

In dress and some customs, that's clearly what the Water Tribes were based on. But Inuit's typically don't have light brown hair, blue eyes and strong Caucasian features like Katara and several other members of her tribe

Originally posted by Robtard
In dress and some customs, that's clearly what the Water Tribes were based on. But Inuit's typically don't have light brown hair, blue eyes and strong Caucasian features like Katara and several other members of her tribe