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Patient_Leech Perfect Organism

Thank God they're not doing Green Goblin again.

But why the f#ck is it so hard to do some good Venom/Carnage action?

Darth Thor Senior Member

^ Think they should save Venom/Carnage for later down the road tbh. Not suitable for the first film of new reboot IMO

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by Kazenji

Not a fan of this.

They want a cool Vulture, they should use the rejuvenated one from the nineties. Not big ass wings (fatter than gecko's) and Kang-esque look.

Kazenji Onyx Prime

The actor they've chosen for Flash Thompson is even worst.

Surtur Restricted

True story Ben Kingsley was originally slated to play Vulture in Spider-Man 3.

Surtur Restricted

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Thank God they're not doing Green Goblin again.
But why the f#ck is it so hard to do some good Venom/Carnage action?

When you think about it..characters like that aren't exactly easy to do live action. I don't necessarily mean they are hard to do CGI-wise, but IMO Venom needs to be built up as a character. I don't mean HYPED up, but built up..as in we need to see him in a movie or two as just Eddie Brock before he becomes Venom.

In Spider-Man 3 with Venom they decided to just make Eddie Brock essentially just sort of like the dark side of Peter. Which I think could of been interesting, but it wasn't handled correctly.

Essentially we got a shitty Venom because people were screaming for Venom, they wanted him bad. It's probably why Vulture was taken out of Spider-Man 3 and they just shoved Venom in.

I know this is almost taboo to say in regards to comic films, but you know what? I'd love an ORIGINAL villain.

If they do Venom I liked the way the Peter/Eddie relationship unfolded in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon. They were good friends and it was partially Peter's own behavior that pushed Eddie away. It wasn't Peter was doing stuff wrong, but because he would have to essentially disappear in order to go be Spider-Man there were a lot of times Peter seemed to just bail whenever danger showed up and his friends(who didn't know his secret) just rightfully took offense.

BruceSkywalker The BatLord of the Jedi

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not a fan of this.
They want a cool Vulture, they should use the rejuvenated one from the nineties. Not big ass wings (fatter than gecko's) and Kang-esque look.

I'm sure this will change when we all see the film ..

Originally posted by Surtur
When you think about it..characters like that aren't exactly easy to do live action. I don't necessarily mean they are hard to do CGI-wise, but IMO Venom needs to be built up as a character. I don't mean HYPED up, but built up..as in we need to see him in a movie or two as just Eddie Brock before he becomes Venom.
In Spider-Man 3 with Venom they decided to just make Eddie Brock essentially just sort of like the dark side of Peter. Which I think could of been interesting, but it wasn't handled correctly.
Essentially we got a shitty Venom because people were screaming for Venom, they wanted him bad. It's probably why Vulture was taken out of Spider-Man 3 and they just shoved Venom in.
I know this is almost taboo to say in regards to comic films, but you know what? I'd love an ORIGINAL villain.
If they do Venom I liked the way the Peter/Eddie relationship unfolded in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon. They were good friends and it was partially Peter's own behavior that pushed Eddie away. It wasn't Peter was doing stuff wrong, but because he would have to essentially disappear in order to go be Spider-Man there were a lot of times Peter seemed to just bail whenever danger showed up and his friends(who didn't know his secret) just rightfully took offense.

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ares834 Senior Member

The Vulture... Meh.

Shame they are wasting Keaton on him.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by ares834
The Vulture... Meh.
Shame they are wasting Keaton on him.

The Vulture will be as good or as bad as they make him, don't get hung up on the comic character.

ares834 Senior Member

In which case, they should have just used a different villain rather than completely reinvent the Vulture.

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Originally posted by Kazenji
The actor they've chosen for Flash Thompson is even worst.

I'm sure this movie will be great.
But yeah , Hindu Flash Thompson looks stupid.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by ares834
In which case, they should have just used a different villain rather than completely reinvent the Vulture.

Changing a costume isn't reinventing a character.

Have you scene a trailer I don't know about?

ares834 Senior Member

In that case, I'll reiterate my original post.

Originally posted by ares834
The Vulture... Meh.
Shame they are wasting Keaton on him.

Surtur Restricted

To be fair in the past they have taken what I had thought were utterly lame villains and made them interesting. I thought Doc Ock was f*cking lame until Alfred Molina came along.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
The Vulture will be as good or as bad as they make him, don't get hung up on the comic character.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Surtur
To be fair in the past they have taken what I had thought were utterly lame villains and made them interesting. I thought Doc Ock was f*cking lame until Alfred Molina came along.

Exactly.

ares834 Senior Member

That's what I'm getting at. If they change him to be interesting rather than lame, I don't have a problem with that. But, if that's the case, why not simply use an interesting villain in the first place?

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by ares834
That's what I'm getting at. If they change him to be interesting rather than lame, I don't have a problem with that. But, if that's the case, why not simply use an interesting villain in the first place?

Well yours isn't the only opinion.

I'm sure there are many people who do find him interesting, including the makers of this film.

Kazenji Onyx Prime

Seems Tinkerer and Shocker will also be in the movie.

Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by Firefly218
It looks beautiful. I'm not sure why no one likes vulture, he's my favorite spidey villain. He was also the villain in the first spidey comic I read so 👆

I love me some Vulture too. I've read stories I've loved for basically every classic Spidey villain, and Toomes is no different. I'm on-board with him being the villain.

I am also on-board with Shocker being in too. He's one of my favorite Spidey villains TBH. I always love the dudes dialogue and encounters with Spidey. Thats banter at it's best.

Tinkerer is one of my least favorites, but even he's brought stories I've enjoyed. I just hope they don't overdo the villains. I also hope they don't have Tinker make Vultures flight harness or Shockers gauntlets. They made their own gear. Having so many engineer type villains seems like their going to make Toomes and Shocker a bit more typical and have Tinker be the man making their suits which takes away from their character a bit IMO. He's also usually in someones employ. I'm betting he's going to be a former SHIELD engineer in this, or working for Kingpin who's mainly in the background. I'm hoping for the second.

Also, a few of Hollands random stunts for any who care. This kid will be great.
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