Originally posted by riv6672
Impressive.
Batman's done better though, and Joker still gives him what for.
Joker doesn't.
And certainly not without weapons.
Batman also explains this stuff pretty well when he's stomping Black Mask in their second ifght. He doesn't go all out in hand to hand and the fact that people can take a punch and give some back doesn't mean that they can actually compare to him/threaten him.
Yeah. I mean, mastering 127 styles and learning to focus your chi and all that is impressive and all, but at the end of the day, after a certain level, it becomes moot. A punch is still a punch, after all.
Now, does Joker do well against Batman in h2h ALONE due to skill, or due to impressive damage soak? I haven't seen many (any?) solely h2h showings from Joker to make me want to vote for him - am open to being convinced, however.
Most of the times, he does well due to cheating (suddenly having a knife, or acid, or prepping beforehand, or his goons).
Originally posted by riv6672
I'll give you that.
But i'm also not buying Cyclops dismantling him like he's suddenly ShNg Chi, either.
God no, lol. He's no Shang Chi. After all, this happened with the Cat:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39001/1412093-cycdodge2.png
Originally posted by 8swords
he could've posted something to say that they dont have their powers. per knowing he does have HF. but he didnt. so we go with with HF, but IMHO, even without HF. joker is batshitt crazy, and would've killed any good moraled street if he could. cept the batman, coz bromance.
Originally posted by riv6672
I REPEAT...I did not know Joker had super powers.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85how is that a bad showing? He was fighting 2 MA and one is +peak
God no, lol. He's no Shang Chi. After all, this happened with the Cat:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39001/1412093-cycdodge2.png
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
how is that a bad showing? He was fighting 2 MA and one is +peak
To show that Cyclops is not +peak in skills?
Not saying its a bad showing. Am just saying Cyclops is not an IronFist/Black Panther/Cap level MA - he's good, as my other scans have shown, but not THAT good.
Not that it would matter against Joker, anyway, as Joker still gets beaten down.
Cyclops is a far better MA than Joker. By a long, long way. We're talking about someone that can fight blind against multiple opponents. Someone that trained the X-Men, and is proficient in at least two martial arts. Sure, he's not Batman, but he's well above most "average" people.
Joker's "unpredictability" is what usually helps him out. And the fact that Batman's usually all "Give up Joker, don't make me do this" while Cyclops would just punch him in the face.
Joker can win, imo, but it's not because he's a more skilled fighter.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops is a far better MA than Joker. By a long, long way. We're talking about someone that can fight blind against multiple opponents. Someone that trained the X-Men, and is proficient in at least two martial arts. Sure, he's not Batman, but he's well above most "average" people.Joker's "unpredictability" is what usually helps him out. And the fact that Batman's usually all "Give up Joker, don't make me do this" while Cyclops would just punch him in the face.
Joker can win, imo, but it's not because he's a more skilled fighter.
agreed,
