Originally posted by Arachnid1Because Renner won't move?
You know, I knew someone would bring that up when I typed that. Ollie can just dodge it and use one of his own exploding arrows. Then Clint can catch it with his face.Clint is massively outclassed here.
He dodged blaster fire from the chituari.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
BTW, Ollie uses a Oneida Kestrel compound bow. Hawkeye uses a Hoyt Buffalo recurve. Both are great, but the Kestrel is considered one of the best. Its price definitely reflects that. Compound bows are more powerful, faster, and easier to shoot than recurves.
Well, I might not always agree with you, but you obviously know your bows. 😉
Considering he has a very high tech quiver that can select bows based on...I dunno, his finger movements or something, I think it's safe to say Hawkeye's bow is similarly high tech. If it's SHIELD special issue, which it's safe to assume that it is, it probably shoots farther, faster, and easier than any other arrow in the world or something.
In a few months SHIELD R&D reverse engineered the Destroyer fragments and made a doomsday cannon out of it. What do you think they could do with years to work on a bow?
Originally posted by KingD19
Considering he has a very high tech quiver that can select bows based on...I dunno, his finger movements or something, I think it's safe to say Hawkeye's bow is similarly high tech. If it's SHIELD special issue, which it's safe to assume that it is, it probably shoots farther, faster, and easier than any other arrow in the world or something.In a few months SHIELD R&D reverse engineered the Destroyer fragments and made a doomsday cannon out of it. What do you think they could do with years to work on a bow?
It's the whole real world argument again, just because it looks like a real world bow they are assuming it's performance is limited to real world standards....just like Phil's car is limited to what a real world 1962 Chevrolet Corvette is capable of.
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's the whole real world argument again, just because it looks like a real world bow they are assuming it's performance is limited to real world standards....just like Phil's car is limited to what a real world 1962 Chevrolet Corvette is capable of.
Yeah. It's so limited to the real world that it can fly...wait. 😕
Originally posted by MindsetThe Chituari rifle blasts were ridiculously easy to follow. They weren't anywhere near as quick as an arrow. And there where multiple scenes where Hawkeye was standing dead still and all the blasts were missing him. Not much dodging. He had one dodge scene the entire fight, and there is nothing to suggest he dodged after the blaster shot, so he could have seen the Chituari aim and get out of the way. God knows the Chitauri weren't much in the way of quick firing (it always took them multiple seconds the aim, and even then all their shots missed for the most part). If he was as speedy and had as amazing a reaction time as you would like me to believe, the dude wouldn't have been handled by Black Widow.
Because Renner won't move?He dodged blaster fire from the chituari.
His speed and reaction abilities don't measure up to Ollies. He just doesn't have the feats. He's for damn sure not fast enough to dodge the hail of Arrows Ollie would rain into his face.
Originally posted by Silent MasterHe wont need to. Ollie draws and shoots faster than Clint. Clint takes an arrow to the face from Ollies first shot before he can get off a shot.
Apparently Ollie can outrun explosions.
And even if Ollie let him shoot off the explosive arrow, assuming Clint was smart enough to shoot it near Ollie as opposed to right at him like he did with Loki which Ollie can effortlessly dodge, Ollie could get off multiple shots in the time that timer took to explode and kill Clint before the explosion gets him. Or he could just run away before the explosion, since that timer was so long.
Ollie could also shoot his explosive arrow out of the air.
The dude has so many options its ridiculous. Clint can not get a shot on him. He can get a shot on Clint. There is nothing Hawkeye can do here.
Originally posted by KingD19Thats all speculation, but its possible. Still, we literally followed the arrow right out of Hawkeyes hand and into Loki's. It wasn't that quick, so they definitely didn't make it shoot quicker. The bow he used in that movie was a confirmed Hoyt Buffalo. The only visible augmentation to the bow was the fact that it folded up for easier transport and it had a laser attachment to make aiming easier for him.
Considering he has a very high tech quiver that can select bows based on...I dunno, his finger movements or something, I think it's safe to say Hawkeye's bow is similarly high tech. If it's SHIELD special issue, which it's safe to assume that it is, it probably shoots farther, faster, and easier than any other arrow in the world or something.In a few months SHIELD R&D reverse engineered the Destroyer fragments and made a doomsday cannon out of it. What do you think they could do with years to work on a bow?
Why are you guys so against the idea of Ollie winning when its a stomp? Especially you SM. You seem to be getting hostile over this. I mean no disrespect to Hawkeye. He's awesome, but he's outclassed against a main character in a show who does what he does against worse opposition. Worse, its a normal character in a DC world surrounded by gods. He gets elevated above peak human, which is something Hawkeye didn't get outside of his aiming ability, which is why Ollie outclasses him.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I seem to recall Hawkeye shooting fast moving flying craft without looking and shooting arrows with USB attachments into a computer. let's also not forget that shot from the back of a jet that managed to take out one of the helicarriers engines.
And shooting an arrow out of flight is far more impressive due to its size. But it may not have happened which is why I said "I seem to recall".
Originally posted by ares834
And shooting out an arrow is far more impressive due to its size. But it may not have happened which is why I said "I seem to recall".
There's a Danish guy in real life who can shoot arrows out of the air. At least one anyway. It's impressive yeah, but nowhere near as impressive as Hawkeye's shot. Especially since real people can pull it off.
There's real life people like I said who can do that. I dare you however, to find someone in the world who can look one way, let an airspeeder pass him by(which makes the shot more difficult due to it's basically 3 dimensional movement capabilities), quickly take aim, make almost no draw, and blindfire a shot into the back of the drivers head all while he's going 50+.
Hawkeye's feat is less one of archery skill and more an almost supernatural battle awareness. Cool feat, but from an accuracy perspective Ollie's is far more impressive (also I'm sure the Danish guy knew where the arrow was to be shot beforehand). The USB and Hellicarrier shot were great displays of archery skill though.
40, 50. Does it matter? The skiff was going extremely fast and he had a no look, reverse headshot. And as until they say different, Hawkeye has no powers, only extreme skill with a bow and arrow as well as amazing accuracy. So to say shooting an arrow with an arrow (a real world feat that has been done several times) is more impressive than the no look shot is suspect imo. Since nobody in the world can pull off that shot.
And knowing someone will shoot an arrow at you full speed doesn't make it any easier to draw, aim, and shoot it out of the air once it's in flight. Also arrows aren't like bullets and don't always hit dead on.
Originally posted by KingD19
40, 50. Does it matter? The skiff was going extremely fast and he had a no look, reverse headshot. And as until they say different, Hawkeye has no powers, only extreme skill with a bow and arrow as well as amazing accuracy. So to say shooting an arrow with an arrow (a real world feat that has been done several times) is more impressive than the no look shot is suspect imo. Since nobody in the world can pull off that shot.And knowing someone will shoot an arrow at you full speed doesn't make it any easier to draw, aim, and shoot it out of the air once it's in flight. Also arrows aren't like bullets and don't always hit dead on.
Except, like I said, Hawkeye's feat isn't impressive because of the accuracy but the battlefield awareness. From that standpoint, yes Oliver's feat is far more impressive.
You keep claiming "battlefield awareness", but that's something you came up with. Officially, Hawkeye is just pretty much the best bowman in the marvel universe. If his arrows could keep going, he'd be Yondu from Guardians of the Galaxy.
So it's not battle awareness unless it's officially pointed out, until then it's just he is that damn good.
Originally posted by KingD19
You keep claiming "battlefield awareness", but that's something you came up with. Officially, Hawkeye is just pretty much the best bowman in the marvel universe. If his arrows could keep going, he'd be Yondu from Guardians of the Galaxy.So it's not battle awareness unless it's officially pointed out, until then it's just he is that damn good.
His argument kind of brings back memories, I remember when someone tried arguing that comic Cap throwing his shield long distances had absolutely nothing to do with strength, that instead it was a shield throwing skill feat.