Originally posted by LordofBrooklynFalse. Strange did not forget an ability he forgoed using it due to his personal relationship with Banner. That same time does not exist with Doomsday.
Your limited intellect shows up once again.There were several instances in WORLD WAR HULK where characters inexplicably forgot abilities, fought in a bizarre fashion, or quite simply underperformed. These events made the narrative possible, the same way it worked through Banner's relationship with his adversaries, the writer(s) would find some other means to apply it to Doomsday.
As for your Doomsday "Taking out Superman" comment.
No one that took on Banner beats an all out Superman with the same mentality.
Sentry, G. Rider, and Zom/Strange do so. All out Superman is not that impressive when we are discussing the Hulk, Sentry, and Strange tbh.
Originally posted by ODGLooks like Strange took it personally and wanted to beat Hulk at his own game after getting his hands broken.
Unfortunately, taking in Zom like he did just ruined him and his hands to the point of uselessness as he revealed later on in New Avengers Annual #2. Which mirrors his origin, i.e., crippling the hands that allowed him to perform miracles of surgery in a careless act of hubris.
He invoked Zom twice and the things he was saying were antagonistic as well as belittling both times during their encounters.
It's character motivated
Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Strange did not forget an ability he forgoed using it due to his personal relationship with Banner. That same time does not exist with Doomsday.Sentry, G. Rider, and Zom/Strange do so. All out Superman is not that impressive when we are discussing the Hulk, Sentry, and Strange tbh.
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They are different kind of beasts.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynStoic challenged you, not the other way around.
Stoic is the one who suggested both storylines have comprable coccurences of PIS/CIS.Either you can take up the challenge presented to him or allow Stoic to answe for himself.
Originally posted by -Pr-Superman isn't even in this thread.
Guys, OP says they happen the same way they did in the comics. Strange, in that case, would fight Superman the way he did Hulk.Silly? Sure, but it's the spirit of the thread, so please stick by it.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Let the counting begin!What PIS/CIS in OWAW was comprable to World War Hulk?
For one, Imperiex could have obliterated everything, and everyone from the door, instead of sending out probes and allowing the heroes to form any sort of resistance. Just look at how easily he dealt with Doomsday. So yeah, before slinging the PIS/CIS brick, maybe you ought to remember that it's in all comics.
The Hulk alone had the strength to physically deny Sakaar, a planet described as being larger than the Earth from exploding like Krypton did. He could have killed everyone on Earth before they got the chance to say WAIT. This is according to the levels that he was at just before leaving Sakaar, and his ability to consciously control his power. It wasn't hard to see how much he'd been actually written down to suit the characters that he was going to place on trial. The others that physically confronted him shouldn't have even been a challenge.
So, if you even bothered to pay attention to the writing, you would have read the part about how he held back the entire time, and how he was actually trained to control his power. Every physical confrontation that he had upon returning to Earth was actually PIS to his credit.
Originally posted by Stoic
So, if you even bothered to pay attention to the writing, you would have read the part about how he held back the entire time, and how he was actually trained to control his power. Every physical confrontation that he had upon returning to Earth was actually PIS to his credit.
Did The Hulk hold back against The Sentry during their fight?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Did The Hulk hold back against The Sentry during their fight?
According to the writer. Yes he did. It's actually canon to the story. It's written after the story just before he travels to the Dark Dimension, but it's still canon. Just like when Superman holds back. We all know that a physical battle between him (Superman) and just about any DC hero is him holding back. So if Superman says that he was holding back, and we can take it at face value, why isn't the same done in regards of the Hulk?
It literally took him less than 3 panels to go from not being able to stop Sakaar from exploding to being able to overpower the forces that were going to make it explode. This is just the first piece of evidence that he was actually holding back. Then he literally comes out and says that he was. Another piece of evidence happens at the very end of the WW Hulk arc, when with a footfall he nearly sinks the entire Eastern Seaboard. And he was trying to stop himself.
PIS happens in comics. Bran brought up a huge point. People say that Xavier could have done this and that. The Hulk could have destroyed the entire state that the X-Men lived in before ever arriving at the mansion. The Hulk could have destroyed the entire planet before he ever made the broadcast from the moon. Superman could have broken Wonder Woman's neck several times. batman should have never drew blood from Superman, because he can take a nuke to the face without taking as much damage. Superman should have kill J'onn several times before ever getting within range of him, by frying him with HV back in the day. You want to talk about PIS?
I mentioned this a couple pages back. It's not so much PIS, but more character that plays part in many of these things. The Hulk, like Superman is not a murderer, he's a hero. Doomsday is a murderer. Strange would see this and kill him. There would be slight differences in the outcome of several events if the book was calle World War Doomsday. Doomsday would have either been shut down by Xavier, or he would have killed all of the mutants present except for those able to escape. He wouldn't have killed the Juggernaut though. This event would have been broadcasted to other heroes including Doctor Strange. Do you think that any of the heroes on Earth would hold back against, or try to reason with a monster that would punch a child through a sidewalk? No, of course not.
DD would have been stopped. Strange wouldn't have come to his senses when he allowed Zom to enter his body. Why? because Doomsday wouldn't have snapped him out of it by trying to save those civilians like the Hulk did.
There are three guys that can be argued to have been able to stop him without a doubt. Cain, Dr. Strange/Zom, and the Sentry. My money is on Strange/Zom.
Originally posted by -Pr-
that's what I get for skimming over the OP.The point still stands, though.
You can't ignore character though, because DD is not the Hulk. The Hulk actually prepared for a campaign. DD couldn't prepare a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Some of the outcomes would have been horrendous to the point that no hero would stop before killing, or being killed by DD. Like I said, Strange wouldn't have snapped out of his possession, the civilians would have been killed, and it would have caused Strange to become even more dangerous than he already was. You really have to go back to the confrontation that he had with the Hulk to see what I mean. If the OP says that all of the outcomes would be the same, what are we debating? Is it saying that DD thinks exactly like the Hulk, when we know that he doesn't? Should we believe that the heroes would try to reason with him after he brutally kills the X-Men? Although your point still stands, you can't expect people to ignore character.
Originally posted by Badabing
Watch yourself Stoic. Batman >>> a nuke! sneer
Yo didn't you watch those commercial warnings about taking other peoples meds brother?
Originally posted by Stoic
You can't ignore character though, because DD is not the Hulk. The Hulk actually prepared for a campaign. DD couldn't prepare a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Some of the outcomes would have been horrendous to the point that no hero would stop before killing, or being killed by DD. Like I said, Strange wouldn't have snapped out of his possession, the civilians would have been killed, and it would have caused Strange to become even more dangerous than he already was. You really have to go back to the confrontation that he had with the Hulk to see what I mean. If the OP says that all of the outcomes would be the same, what are we debating? Is it saying that DD thinks exactly like the Hulk, when we know that he doesn't? Should we believe that the heroes would try to reason with him after he brutally kills the X-Men? Although your point still stands, you can't expect people to ignore character.Yo didn't you watch those commercial warnings about taking other peoples meds brother?
I'm not ignoring character, the OP is.
People are, by the nature of the thread, to treat DD as they would have treated Hulk.
If that means DD wins, fine. If it means he loses, that's fine too.
Bleh, still weird typing DD and meaning Doomsday, not Matt.
You have to admit Pr...there will be some instances that will not play out the same as it did with WWH. The Satellite thing wouldn't have happened either because Doomsday energy wouldn't have crushed the city and his foot step wouldn't have been earth threatening either. Is that there any proof that Doomsday could survive a spike going straight through his head? They created a vaccine that hindered Hulks power and Hulk overcame it via rage. Does Doomsday get this same benefit...is there proof that he can overcome something that is built to fight against his powers? The military scene; can Doomsday survive adamantium bullets going through every part of his body? Can he survive holes being punched through his body? Would he have toyed with Ghost Rider or would he have went all out? Would Ghost Rider judge Doomsday as an innocent and ride off?
The list goes on and on but the battles will obviously not go the same way.
Originally posted by carver9
You have to admit Pr...there will be some instances that will not play out the same as it did with WWH. The Satellite thing wouldn't have happened either because Doomsday energy wouldn't have crushed the city and his foot step wouldn't have been earth threatening either. Is that there any proof that Doomsday could survive a spike going straight through his head? They created a vaccine that hindered Hulks power and Hulk overcame it via rage. Does Doomsday get this same benefit...is there proof that he can overcome something that is built to fight against his powers? The military scene; can Doomsday survive adamantium bullets going through every part of his body? Can he survive holes being punched through his body? Would he have toyed with Ghost Rider or would he have went all out? Would Ghost Rider judge Doomsday as an innocent and ride off?The list goes on and on but the battles will obviously not go the same way.
I never said they would play out the same. Just that the people fighting Doomsday would treat him as if he were the Hulk (within reason).