World War Doomsday

Started by psycho gundam12 pages
psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by krisblaze
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Two of those issues are dependent on the time in which they occurred: Xavier putting the Phoenix 5 down happened years later and Darwin's Hela thing, then you have things tied to Banner's relationships to certain characters and then the context of the fights like Hulk leaving the School grounds and Juggernaut after figuring out Xavier was clean. Nanites all that are story elements that are integral to the events.

If you put Doomsday into the story you remove all the relationship elements that Hulk and the others have with each other obviously so it's essentially death of Superman's plot all over again where Doomsday bumrushed the league of the time that had no idea who or what he even was or why he was

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Dr. Strange's mentality during the fight remains the same. Whatever plot device brings that about is irrelevant.

Dr. Strange approaches Doomsday the same way he did Banner. The PIS involved in that scenario is only slightly less than many of the other instances in the WORLD WAR HULK arc.

Dr. Strange's mentality was outright refusing to banish his friend a second time and trying to make peace with his long-time friend. Those feelings and inhibitions could not, in any way, transfer over to Doomsday.

It's not PIS. It's story. PIS is SPvFL. Or BPvSS.

Since Dr. Strange doesn't give two craps about Doomsday, he'd just instantly BFR him. He's BFR'ed Hulk twice already reluctantly. He'd have no qualms BFRing Doomsday to some sh1tty place.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Reed would then get the time to prepare on the fly as he does with other threats.

Dr. Strange's mentality during the fight remains the same. Whatever plot device brings that about is irrelevant.

Dr. Strange approaches Doomsday the same way he did Banner. The PIS involved in that scenario is only slightly less than many of the other instances in the WORLD WAR HULK arc.

They are not the same character therefore they do not share the same relationship. Quit being ridiculous. Strange bfrs him, easily. Just because he took out Superman Doesnt mean he holds a candle in the marvel universe.

LordofBrooklyn Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
They are not the same character therefore they do not share the same relationship. Quit being ridiculous. Strange bfrs him, easily. Just because he took out Superman Doesnt mean he holds a candle in the marvel universe.

Your limited intellect shows up once again.

There were several instances in WORLD WAR HULK where characters inexplicably forgot abilities, fought in a bizarre fashion, or quite simply underperformed. These events made the narrative possible, the same way it worked through Banner's relationship with his adversaries, the writer(s) would find some other means to apply it to Doomsday.

As for your Doomsday "Taking out Superman" comment.

No one that took on Banner beats an all out Superman with the same mentality.

carver9 Senior Member

It's comics. Not like every character fight with every ability they've shown during fights...doesn't work like that unless you know of fights between heralds where this has been shown. It's not characters forgetting their abilities, it's called comics.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your limited intellect shows up once again.

There were several instances in WORLD WAR HULK where characters inexplicably forgot abilities, fought in a bizarre fashion, or quite simply underperformed. These events made the narrative possible, the same way it worked through Banner's relationship with his adversaries, the writer(s) would find some other means to apply it to Doomsday.

As for your Doomsday "Taking out Superman" comment.

No one that took on Banner beats an all out Superman with the same mentality.

Do you think that there was also a fair share of PIS/CIS, and whatever else you want to throw at the WW Hulk arc that also happened during OWAW? Should we begin counting?

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
There were several instances in WORLD WAR HULK where characters inexplicably forgot abilities, fought in a bizarre fashion, or quite simply underperformed.
Nobody ever backs this up beyond talking about Dr.Strange. You're more likely to find instances of characters going past their own limits be them restraints against opponents or usage of power/tech against Hulk than any lower showings that keep being talked about but never remarked on.

Sin I AM Madame Mort
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Nobody ever backs this up beyond talking about Dr.Strange. You're more likely to find instances of characters going past their own limits be them restraints against opponents or usage of power/tech against Hulk than any lower showings that keep being talked about but never remarked on.

Seriously?

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

The floor is yours

Sin I AM Madame Mort
Originally posted by psycho gundam
The floor is yours

What exactly are you saying? Are u suggesting zom was the only instance?

Branlor Swift Dead

The only real instance of stupidity is not bfr'ing him again. But that was lazily explained that he'd just come back. And Juggernaut continuing to run into a lake. Also Sentry getting punched but that seemed more like Sentry trying to get amped up or justify the release of his Golden Guardian of Good powers.
Zom getting distracted was showing Dr Strange was still in there, and the nanobots were plot device, not stupidity on the part of Tony.

Beyond that, Zom got used with Strange, Sentry's calming aura, turning him into Grey Hulk, breaking his neck, adamantium bombs, the Wolverine, the Thingerine, unbeatable on the forums at the time Darwin tried to drain him, Elixir turned off his healing factor, the Juggernaut, telepathy, Black Bolt's voice (though Skrull), new Hulkbuster, and mega form Sentry uber form was used.

Pretty much everything and more that has stopped him in the past, or at the very least halted him.

If you want to argue that Hulk was seriously wanked then sure, because he sure the **** was. But acting like stupidity was a heavy component doesn't work when they pretty much tried everything.

Though it stands to reason that Reed should have been able to simply **** him up but not every Reed under writers acts like that. In retrospect Reed is really the only one from that story that could easily beat Hulk outside a combination of just gang beating Hulk.

Sin I AM Madame Mort

U failed to mention all the tps present at the x mansion

Branlor Swift Dead

That doesn't fall under telepathy?

And they all had big panic fits when they entered Hulk's mind.

cdtm Restricted

I'm no Strange expert, but I do know he's never had a problem doing magic without using his hands, which is how Hulk stopped him... Had every bone in his body broken at one point, and still managed his sorcerer supreme schtick.

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm no Strange expert, but I do know he's never had a problem doing magic without using his hands, which is how Hulk stopped him... Had every bone in his body broken at one point, and still managed his sorcerer supreme schtick.
Pak is garbage.

Even if Strange could, he's not beating Hulk with a handicap. Or with a massive powerup apparently either

Sin I AM Madame Mort

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That doesn't fall under telepathy?

And they all had big panic fits when they entered Hulk's mind.

Which makes no sense. Emma, charles and the cuckoos plus cerebro? They could have made do literally anything

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Which makes no sense. Emma, charles and the cuckoos plus cerebro? They could have made do literally anything
And Hulk could have just destroyed the mansion before they knew he was there. Or took his Warbound there. Or crashed his ship into the mansion. Or did any sort of offensive attack aimed at Xavier.

Welcome to comics.

Sin I AM Madame Mort

Meh. Im over the storyline

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm no Strange expert, but I do know he's never had a problem doing magic without using his hands, which is how Hulk stopped him... Had every bone in his body broken at one point, and still managed his sorcerer supreme schtick.
You could argue he could have used his astral form. But at that time Strange felt he needed his hands to properly fend off Hiroim. Hiroim being as formidable as he was as a Shadow Priest with the Oldpower, who's to say Dr. Strange wasn't right?

Unfortunately, taking in Zom like he did just ruined him and his hands to the point of uselessness as he revealed later on in New Avengers Annual #2. Which mirrors his origin, i.e., crippling the hands that allowed him to perform miracles of surgery in a careless act of hubris.

LordofBrooklyn Senior Member
Originally posted by Stoic
Do you think that there was also a fair share of PIS/CIS, and whatever else you want to throw at the WW Hulk arc that also happened during OWAW? Should we begin counting?

Let the counting begin!

What PIS/CIS in OWAW was comprable to World War Hulk?