But we know how powerful the character is on nexus because we have the feats. The end result is still 100. So if the nexus amp is 10 then the characters base power has to be 90. F*ckin' duh, bro.
BTW this is why I advocate for allowing nexus feats, because you just make them slightly lesser by accounting for the nexus. Sure, Nyriss might not outright stomp Meetra off a nexus but she'd still win and probably win pretty easily at that.
One more exaple.
A man is 6ft tall, plus 1 inch heel. A man I 6ft 1 inch.
A different man is ? tall plus 1 inch heel. A man is ? tall.
The first man we know much like we know power of force users displayed on a neutral ground.
The second man height we don' t know, because we only have how much height (amp) he gets, but his baseline height ( power) can be any number.
Originally posted by NephthysThey are two different men, you idiot. Like Sidious on neutral ground and Sidious with amp versus Nyriss on neutral ground ( which we can only guess her power) and Nyriss with amp (which we know)
He's still 6ft 1 inches because we still have his final measurements.You are really bad at this. 😆
Except we're not talking about a different man. It's the same person on nexus or off it. You're making a false analogy because you're not putting the final measurement of the second man, despite that in terms of nexus feats we do have the final result of character + nexus.
The real analogy looks like this:
A man is 6ft tall, plus 1 inch heel. A man I 6ft 1 inch.
A different man is ? tall plus 1 inch heel. A man is 6ft 1 inch tall.
We can still tell the guy is 6 foot bro!
Like I said, you're lying about the information we have available to us. We know how tall your uncle is in heels. We have Nyriss' nexus feats. We have the results of the equations for Height + Heel and Power + Amp already.
I was only saying they were the same height out of laziness, it doesn't matter how tall your uncle is in heels. That's besides the point and not what we're trying to establish. Cuz we already know it's 4 ft 2 or something. We're just trying to establish how tall he is without heels. We know how much the heel adds and his height in heels, so it's literally child's play (as in children literally learn this bro) to establish his height without heels.
Jesus you are shitty at this.
Originally posted by ares834
But do we actually know how much of an amp Nyriss received?
There is no more info, thus I advocate to discard all nexus feats. There's too much room for speculation.
Originally posted by Stigma
Bingo. It doesn't matter how powerful Nyriss is with an amp.Like my uncle's height without heels is unknown, her power without amp is unknown. /case closed.
Jesus. facepalm3
But we do know. It's ****ing 4 ft 1. He's 4 ft 2 with the heels and the heel adds 1 inch. It's literally primary school maths.
How old are you?
Originally posted by ares834
But do we actually know how much of an amp Nyriss received?
No, not exactly. Which is what he should be focusing on instead of these false equivalencies.
But like I said, it's a small amp. Even if we're very strict like I tend to be with these things, it's still not much of a factor.
I think you don't understand what is the point. The point is not that they are the same height in heels, much like the point is that Sidious with amp is still more powerful than Dooku with amp, precisely because he is just more powerful on base.
Moreso Sidious with an amp is more powerful than Nyriss with an amp.
Similarly the 5'11" with heels can be shoter / taller / same height of a man whose height we don't know plus heels. Like you said heels (amp) does not matter, what matters is the baseline. For Pitt base is 5'11. For Sidious it's da 100. What is the base for Nyriss?
About Nyriss we can only tell how powerful she is with amp. Care to tell us how you come up with her power level without an amp?
Originally posted by Stigma
Get over yourself, private. It's not about you, but about terrible reasoning some people display here.Again, it's elementary logic:
A = force user
B = an ampLet's say A = 90, B = 10
A + B = 100 (force user and amp)
Gee, I wonder what happens if we don't know how powerful a force user is at base.
A = we don't know
B = 10A + B = ? + 10
In other words, * insert any number you like* which is exactly what you and Neph are trying to do. You want to pass whatever you feel A should be at baseline as a fact.
WTF is wrong with you? Are you trolling? Srs.
Well, so much for asking to keep things civil.
First off, it's Colonel. Not private. Secondly, WTF is wrong with you, mate? Trolling? Wut?
If it's not about me then don't fvcking make it about me.
I would address this, but Neph has already done a good job of refuting everything you say.
We're all supposed to be sensible, reasonable SW fans here. Are we really going to assume that any DS nexus gives more than 10 or 15/100? Srsly.
Originally posted by Stigma
I think you don't understand what is the point. The point is not that they are the same height in heels, much like the point is that Sidious with amp is still more powerful than Dooku with amp, precisely because he is just more powerful on base.Moreso Sidious with an amp is more powerful than Nyriss with an amp.
Similarly the 5'11" with heels can be shoter / taller / same height of a man whose height we don't know plus heels. Like you said heels (amp) does not matter, what matters is the baseline. For Pitt base is 5'11. For Sidious it's da 100. What is the base for Nyriss?
About Nyriss we can only tell how powerful she is with amp. Care to tell us how you come up with her power level without an amp?
I don't care about that and I don't see how it's relevant. Who gives a barfing bubble shit about Sidious and Dooku? I don't care about comparing them or comparing her to anyone and I'm not trying to. If we're going to compare her to anyone it should be Meetra and Traya, the two actual relevant characters in this thread. You keep missing the single important fact:
WE KNOW HOW POWERFUL NEXUS NYRISS IS.
So no, YOU don't know what the point is. Your examples suck because we already know the answer and it's laughably simplistic to solve them, you're just leaving out information that we actually do have. ? + 10 = 100 makes the ? obviously 90. ? + 1 inch = 4 ft 2 makes ? 4 ft 1. I'm not trying to establish her power level, I was pointing out how incredibly atrocious your analogy was and how frustratingly idiotic you are. Because you cannot grasp simple arithmetic and child level problem solving. Next time you make an example, have it make actual sense.
Like I said, we come up with her power level by taking her nexus feat and slightly lessening it. You said it yourself. If her base level is ? and the amp is 10 and together they add up to 100 (in this scenario 100 is equivalent to being powerful enough to pwn Meetra) then the answer is.......
Originally posted by Nephthys
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One of those things is, undeniably, your lack of intelligence.
One last example because, frankly, I cannot believe you are so thick. I think you're just trolling tbh.
Two Sith Lords go shopping, Dooku and Nyriss.
Dooku brings a bag with grocery. We weight it, it's 5 pounds. We give him 1 pound extra (amp). Total sums up to 6 pounds.
Nyriss brigns a bag with grocery too. BUT we don't weight it. It's a f***ing different bag, no way to tell by sight if it's heavier of lighter than Dooku's bag. We also give her 1 pound extra. What is the total weight?
You can clearly see that we don't know. An extra pound does not tell us anything about the original weight of Nyriss's bag.
YET you want us to assume by faith that Nyriss's bag is, say, 7 pounds in original weight. Why?
Similarly, how do you propose to determine what is Nyriss original power without an amp (that extra pound)?
Originally posted by Nephthys
WE KNOW HOW POWERFUL NEXUS NYRISS IS.
Now tell us how to figure out how powerful she is off nexus. And no, your speculation "perhaps an amp was slight etc" will not do.
Give us hard numbers and her placement within power levels. Is she Dooku tier, Maul tier, Qui Gion tier.?