I just thought of one more example that might clear things up. I think I know where Neph’s confusion stems from. (I hope it’s not trolling tbh).
Besides, English is a foreign language to me so at times I might be guilty of not expressing myself clearly enough. Either way, hope this helps.
Let’s do two cases:
Case no. 1:
Dooku = 80 (going by his feats on a neutral ground this is a power level we place him at)
amp = a (this is an amp Dooku receives on Vjun in Dark Rendezvous)
So:
80 + a = 90
How do we know it’s 90?
Because we have amped Dooku’s performances (against Ventress, Yoda) and we see they’re better than his performances on a neutral ground.
Thus, we can conclude a (amp) = 10.
Case no. 2:
Nyriss = x (we don’t know how powerful she is on a neutral ground)
amp = y (we don’t know how powerful is the amp she received)
So:
x + y = 80
How do we know it’s 80?
Because we have amped Nyriss performance against Scourge/Meetra/Revan and we can place amped Nyriss at this level.
BUT, how can we conclude what numbers are appropriate for x or y? Well, their sum must be 80, but there is a wide range of possible answers, like:
x = 70, y = 10 ; x + y = 80 (it fits)
Or
x = 60, y = 20 ; x + y = 80 (It fits too)
Or
x = 65, y = 15 ; x + y = 80 (fits again)
As you can see we have wide range of choices and there’s just no way to say which one is the best.
This is similar to randomly concluding how powerful on a neutral ground Nyriss is (x) or randomly assigning how powerful the amp was (y).
Yeah, these are first grader examples but somehow their simple implications are lost on some people. They prefer faulty logic in its full beam.
Originally posted by Selenial
I frankly don't give a flying **** what you've said about her in the past, your arguments now are ridiculous and have been refuted on several occasions. The fact of the matter is that the Jedi seen in the Revan novel had no wound. She lacked what made her immensely powerful in Kotor 2.You say she accomplished better on Dromund Kaas as a way of somehow placing Nyriss above Traya and Sion combined. That's stupid. She had her wound on Malachor, which allowed her to feed off force users she faced, it made her strong.
In fact you've just admitted to me that you believe the Jedi take this. Whether or not Karpyshit's Surik was nerfed, her original Kotor 2 power level remains unchanged, as the loss of her wound is a very plausible explanation for the immense power drop.
Yet she isn't mentioned as having diminished in power and Revan notes that she's much more powerful than she was before Kotor 2 so it's not as if her growth simply vanished. Also you seem to be forgetting that Meetra being weaker because her wound was healed was my theory that I told you about. You dirty, dirty plagiarist.
There's nothing suggesting all that power vanished. Where would it all go? I mean, don't forget that when Chodo Habat partially heals the Exile's wound in the game she actually GAINS power. And it's not stupid, Nyriss is just really powerful and Sion and Traya were I guess less powerful than we were lead to believe. Although I'm sure Traya would agree that she sucks compared to the "True Sith".....
That's only if we completely ignore Revan, which isn't happening sadly. Karpyshans book recontextualises Meetra's accomplishments. Maybe it just wasn't as impressive in the grand scheme of things as we thought?
Originally posted by Stigma
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."One of those things is, undeniably, your lack of intelligence.
One last example because, frankly, I cannot believe you are so thick. I think you're just trolling tbh.
Unfortunately, I can't say the same. I think you really are as stupid as you seem to be here.
Originally posted by Stigma
Two Sith Lords go shopping, Dooku and Nyriss.Dooku brings a bag with grocery. We weight it, it's 5 pounds. We give him 1 pound extra (amp). Total sums up to 6 pounds.
Nyriss brigns a bag with grocery too. BUT we don't weight it. It's a f***ing different bag, no way to tell by sight if it's heavier of lighter than Dooku's bag. We also give her 1 pound extra. What is the total weight?
You can clearly see that we don't know. An extra pound does not tell us anything about the original weight of Nyriss's bag.
YET you want us to assume by faith that Nyriss's bag is, say, 7 pounds in original weight. Why?
AGAIN, you're making a false analogy. This is not the situation we have in regards to Nyriss. To carry on with your awful example, the real situation is that although we don't know the wight of Nyriss' original bag of shopping, we do know how heavy it is after we give her the extra pound. And of course we know that we've given her an extra pound of weight.
So to get the original weight of her shopping all we need to do is subtract that pound from the final weight of the shopping in order to determine what her original weight was.
I can't tell if you're actively trying to be deceptive by leaving out the most vital part of the equation or if you're just as thick as brick but there's only so many times I'm going to repeat myself and this might be the last time.
Originally posted by Stigma
Similarly, how do you propose to determine what is Nyriss original power without an amp (that extra pound)?
We just take her levels of power with the amp, that is that she's capable of stomping Scourge and Meetra with sabers and the Force, can char people with lightning or disintegrate them with charged lightning and then just subtract an estimate for the nexus. Like I said, the nexus cannot be so large an amp that Nyriss couldn't still beat Meetra, given how utterly easy for her to do so with it.
Originally posted by Stigma
Precisely.Now tell us how to figure out how powerful she is off nexus. And no, your speculation "perhaps an amp was slight etc" will not do.
Give us hard numbers and her placement within power levels. Is she Dooku tier, Maul tier, Qui Gion tier.?
More powerful than Meetra and Traya. Both of these guys have feats that make them very powerful on at least Obi-Wan, Ventress, GG, Savage and Maul scales. Traya is definitely more powerful but she's hindered by her weakness in melee imo.
Dooku tier or slightly higher. Meetra and Traya are clearly around Mauls tier at the least going by their feats.
@Neph, tl;dr
apart from this:
Originally posted by Nephthys
We just take her levels of power with the amp,
Originally posted by Nephthys
then just subtract an estimate for the nexus.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Like I said, the nexus cannot be so large an amp
Your whole point is that we can arbitrarily assume how powerful the amp is.
In other words, you want us to go along with your purely subjective impression that the amp "is not that larger" not even quantifying what that means in relation to power.
I ask you to provide a method to do so, other than your speculation.
So far, you have nothing.
Concede that you cannot really give a concrete estimate (other than your subjective preference) on how powerful the amp is,
or indulge with your nonsense further on.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Of course you did. 😒I won't say the same thing as Neph just so you go ahead and reply the exact same thing with the analogies etc. I'm tired of this thread. Byee
Nevertheless, you evacuated yourself like a true gentleman. Props.