Are the celestials after many years,now being treated as whimps?
The 3 Beyonders(and there are said to be more)or the Ivory kings that much more powerful than the rest of the multi-verse.They beat up on the Celestials like they where nothing.And then beat all the cosmics,just 3 of them.Of the cosmics left,maybe they have a weekness.Galactus with the Un,or maybe the heroes of earth will find away.But it looks bad right now.
It's true.
It's all over for the Celestials. Years of humiliation have destroyed their reputation as respectable cosmic powers.
It all started with that FF issue and the "hyperspace weakness" bullshit and snowballed from there. The final nail in the coffin of the Celestials is the fact that Odin could have destroyed any Celestial he wanted to, even Tiamut or Extiar, because of an enchantment he just pulled out of his ass randomly.
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Re: Are the celestials after many years,now being treated as whimps?
Originally posted by zom1967
The 3 Beyonders(and there are said to be more)or the Ivory kings that much more powerful than the rest of the multi-verse.They beat up on the Celestials like they where nothing.And then beat all the cosmics,just 3 of them.Of the cosmics left,maybe they have a weekness.Galactus with the Un,or maybe the heroes of earth will find away.But it looks bad right now.
The beyonders could curb stomp celestials, they are just beyond them, its just the way it is however what they have done to them is atrocious apart from that. Celestials was one of the great things about marvel and something DC did not have, now that its been trashed I have disdain. Odin beating them is laughable.
This is typical. When bad guys are first intro'd, they are "all that." But the call for one-upmanship is strong: new bad guys come along to raise the excitement level (and, hopefully, comic book sales), and the previous alphas are knocked down a few notches.
Other eg: Asgardian Destroyer; Doomsday (making way for Imperiex); and it happened to Galactus loonnng ago.
I seem to vaguely remember even Superman(?) or Reed Richards(?) once making a comment to this effect, how there's always the next, more powerful villain waiting in the wings.
Originally posted by krisblaze
He's talking about the jarnbjorn enchanment.Just need to cast a simple magic on any weapon and it can instantly kill any celestial....
Whereas back in the day, didn't he become the Destroyer, absorb the lifeforce of all the Asgardians and still get owned?
I liked them more then, they were uber and completely alien, going around judging, unable to be stopped or reasoned with, and they had cool designs. I miss those guys.
Originally posted by warden515
Whereas back in the day, didn't he become the Destroyer, absorb the lifeforce of all the Asgardians and still get owned?I liked them more then, they were uber and completely alien, going around judging, unable to be stopped or reasoned with, and they had cool designs. I miss those guys.
He did.
I do.
Originally posted by Mindship
This is typical...... and it happened to Galactus loonnng ago.
Hell, ODIN has less humiliating showings and weaknesses than the Celestials. IMHO, at this stage in Marvel history, beating Odin or Old King Thor is MORE impressive then owning a Celestial. That's how far they've fallen.
Originally posted by zopzop
It's true.It's all over for the Celestials. Years of humiliation have destroyed their reputation as respectable cosmic powers.
It all started with that FF issue and the "hyperspace weakness" bullshit and snowballed from there. The final nail in the coffin of the Celestials is the fact that Odin could have destroyed any Celestial he wanted to, even Tiamut or Extiar, because of an enchantment he just pulled out of his ass randomly.
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Originally posted by krisblazeIt the enchantment were so random or so simple, Odin would not have forbidden/decried its use with such foreboding.
He's talking about the jarnbjorn enchanment.Just need to cast a simple magic on any weapon and it can instantly kill any celestial....
The trivialization here seems petty.
That`s what I could never figure?
Originally posted by zopzopOdin goes into the Destroyer,that is also empowered by every Asgardian but Thor.Plus has the Odin sword and all the Eternals in the Uni-mind are there for back up.And this 2,000ft. tall Destroyer only does two feats that are impressive(to make it look like he has a chance).He breaks the dome they are in with the power of ultimate disintegration,and chops off Ziran`s arm(that grows right back!).After that it`s a slaughter house,The Celestial`s melt the deatroyer into Slag,make the gods look like weakling`s,make themselves look unbeatable.And the whole time all Odin had to do is go into his library,put A spell on the Odin sword,and he probably would have kicked ass,or at least take out 4 or 5 of them!And drove them off.
It's true.It's all over for the Celestials. Years of humiliation have destroyed their reputation as respectable cosmic powers.
It all started with that FF issue and the "hyperspace weakness" bullshit and snowballed from there. The final nail in the coffin of the Celestials is the fact that Odin could have destroyed any Celestial he wanted to, even Tiamut or Extiar, because of an enchantment he just pulled out of his ass randomly.
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Well Eson is the only thing that damaged a Beyonder and they created a multiverse recently. Exitar is so powerful that it took every hero on earth multiplied into one being times two to even stop him from simply levitating downwards, and that's from a shitty writer. We also have a little bit of Tiamuts power being split being enough to beat all of the Phoenix 5 at the same time.
We also have the Black Vortex going on and a Celestial artifact in the Mandalay Gem nigh one shotting Thanos. Among other things.
And the axe is what ODG said. Adding to that, we saw Odin's power amplified many times fail utterly against the Celestials. Just because a plot device of his power can do it, that doesn't mean it's actually his power doing it. We know for a fact he cannot beat a Celestial without, and we don't even know how long it takes to do either or how exactly it's done. We also know Odin won't do it unless faced against Exitar. It's just a plot device. It doesn't make him more powerful in retrospect.
Yes they aren't written as unbeatable anymore, but they also aren't facing the same type of shit. It's not like they're losing to pussies.
Originally posted by ODG
It the enchantment were so random or so simple, Odin would not have forbidden/decried its use with such foreboding.The trivialization here seems petty.
It also wouldn't surprise me if Odin was aware of the outcome.
Originally posted by krisblaze
From my pov Odin forbid the use of the enchantment because of how potent it was.It also wouldn't surprise me if Odin was aware of the outcome.
I always thought it was made if the Celestials broke the oath and returned sooner than the 100 (or was it 1000 years). I mean I know the Celestials didn't make the oath exactly but I recall the fact that they wouldn't return for a set amount of time.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well Eson is the only thing that damaged a Beyonder
and they created a multiverse recently.
Exitar is so powerful that it took every hero on earth multiplied into one being times two to even stop him from simply levitating downwards, and that's from a shitty writer.
We also have a little bit of Tiamuts power being split being enough to beat all of the Phoenix 5 at the same time.
We also have the Black Vortex going on and a Celestial artifact in the Mandalay Gem nigh one shotting Thanos. Among other things.
And the axe is what ODG said. Adding to that, we saw Odin's power amplified many times fail utterly against the Celestials. Just because a plot device of his power can do it, that doesn't mean it's actually his power doing it. We know for a fact he cannot beat a Celestial without, and we don't even know how long it takes to do either or how exactly it's done. We also know Odin won't do it unless faced against Exitar. It's just a plot device. It doesn't make him more powerful in retrospect.
Yes they aren't written as unbeatable anymore, but they also aren't facing the same type of shit. It's not like they're losing to pussies.
There's probably more but you get my point.
You make a good point!
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftThey are some of the most powerful beings in the universe.But at the same time I can never consider them as having the same status they had years ago.Like zopsop said it started when Sue Richards Killed Exitar,and after that Franklin Richards(adult version)and Galactus tag team(with some help)and kill the 4 mad Celestials.Things like that would have never happened 20 years ago!
Well Eson is the only thing that damaged a Beyonder and they created a multiverse recently. Exitar is so powerful that it took every hero on earth multiplied into one being times two to even stop him from simply levitating downwards, and that's from a shitty writer. We also have a little bit of Tiamuts power being split being enough to beat all of the Phoenix 5 at the same time.
We also have the Black Vortex going on and a Celestial artifact in the Mandalay Gem nigh one shotting Thanos. Among other things.And the axe is what ODG said. Adding to that, we saw Odin's power amplified many times fail utterly against the Celestials. Just because a plot device of his power can do it, that doesn't mean it's actually his power doing it. We know for a fact he cannot beat a Celestial without, and we don't even know how long it takes to do either or how exactly it's done. We also know Odin won't do it unless faced against Exitar. It's just a plot device. It doesn't make him more powerful in retrospect.
Yes they aren't written as unbeatable anymore, but they also aren't facing the same type of shit. It's not like they're losing to pussies.
Re: You make a good point!
Originally posted by zom1967
Franklin Richards(adult version)and Galactus tag team(with some help)and kill the 4 mad Celestials.Things like that would have never happened 20 years ago!
It took a 4 planet amped Galactus, Sol's Anvil, Adult Franklin, AND Child Franklin's power to put them down.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift👆
Well Eson is the only thing that damaged a Beyonder and they created a multiverse recently. Exitar is so powerful that it took every hero on earth multiplied into one being times two to even stop him from simply levitating downwards, and that's from a shitty writer. We also have a little bit of Tiamuts power being split being enough to beat all of the Phoenix 5 at the same time.
We also have the Black Vortex going on and a Celestial artifact in the Mandalay Gem nigh one shotting Thanos. Among other things.And the axe is what ODG said. Adding to that, we saw Odin's power amplified many times fail utterly against the Celestials. Just because a plot device of his power can do it, that doesn't mean it's actually his power doing it. We know for a fact he cannot beat a Celestial without, and we don't even know how long it takes to do either or how exactly it's done. We also know Odin won't do it unless faced against Exitar. It's just a plot device. It doesn't make him more powerful in retrospect.
Yes they aren't written as unbeatable anymore, but they also aren't facing the same type of shit. It's not like they're losing to pussies.
And considering that all Celestials in the multiverse are essentially canon now, we also have those 5 Celestials featured in the What If: Secret Wars issue stalemating Doom /w/ Beyonder's power + the IG for over 400 years... Can't say much about Beyonder's power(because it is occasionally written laughably low in some alternate universes), but every IG still makes its user 'God' within its native reality... So a handful of Celestials stalemating a Gauntlet for several hundred years --to the point that the gems were completely depleted afterward, and shattered-- is actually quite an amazing feat for the Celestials... Maybe even their *best* feat. /shrug
Re: Re: You make a good point!
Originally posted by zopzopI know my friend thats why I put with some help.Just was too lazy to write it all down at the time,but you are 100% right.
Believe it or not, that was actually a GOOD showing for the Celestials.It took a 4 planet amped Galactus, Sol's Anvil, Adult Franklin, AND Child Franklin's power to put them down.