Are the celestials after many years,now being treated as whimps?

Started by Branlor Swift7 pages

Originally posted by zopzop

But wasn't that Beyonder fighting every single one of the Celestials in the universe/multiverse solo? Not much of a feat.

True.

Any skyfather worth his name would annihilate Death Sentry and that amped Rogue. So this isn't really that impressive for a high level cosmic being.

Are you talking about the Sinister incident? The P5 were unworthy hosts and the PF went into it's preferred vessel : Jean Grey or her clones. Once the PF was made aware of what was going on, it annihilated Sinster and his base and the clones. Unless you are referring to another showing I'm not aware of?

Low showing for Thanos?

That was one showing 30 years ago. As of 2015, Odin has an enchantment he can use to make a one shot KO/Kill anti-Celestial weapon.

Speaking of losing to pussies, a random gun in Reed's closet was destroying bloodlusted Rogue Celestials. The "Godkiller" armor from some unknown and never again seen race destroyed thousands (millions?) of Celestials. Magneto was manipulating Tiamut's body and Tiamut either wouldn't or couldn't stop him.

There's probably more but you get my point. [/B]

And 3 of them took down the real full Living Tribunal. I don't get how you think this is a low showing on their part. Fact is, out of every abstract they ran through, only Eson managed to damage one on panel.

Good for any Skyfather. Exitar killed the entire planet coming at him at once before they changed time.
Name a skyfather that it would take the power of every being on Earth times two to stop them from descending.
Exitar wasn't throwing a punch or stomping his feet, he was simply descending from levitation. Zeus alone was having trouble with the Avengers to a degree and that's an actual fight. Pretty much every other Skyfather level being besides Odin and Zeus got beat by Thor. Now imagine it took every single hero on Earth to simply halt a Skyfather from moving slowly downwards. Then times that by two.
Rogue had every power in the book stacked on top of each other, based on showings she would have annihilated Zeus.
But that's a story for another day.

Yea. And that was left over energy from Tiamut's head that Sinister didn't even have anymore. It wasn't even close to his full power. And it was splitting its power across thousands of things and still had the power to beat each P5 user. Who had the power to effortlessly destroy heralds.
Of course the full Force should overcome that, but the fact that random bits of shards of Tiamut's power can beat a 5th of the Force isn't looking too great.

Maybe, maybe not. But considering the only thing a tiny artifact like that has done is beat up Thanos isn't exactly backing up the case for it being pis.

That he would never use. And it has nothing to do with Odin's power being near their own either. It's a straight up plot device.
Arguing he would use it is like saying Thor could recreate the same weapon in the heat of battle.

A random gun that worked better than the Ultimate Nullifier in the same showing? What a weak gun that it does more damage than the UN in the same page. Yes, the universal entropy gun sounds like a real street level weapon too.

The Godkiller is a pussy? And yeah it was seen again, the whole point of the arc was that it was really ****ing powerful and way too dangerous to be in the universe. The fact that it got beaten by them apparently too doesn't register.
It literally got ported out of the universe because it was way too dangerous.

You didn't even read that story either. Tiamut was falling apart because his head was missing and Magneto acted like a central nervous system to hold it back together so the shards of its body didn't continue one shotting X-Men. Tiamut wasn't even alive for lack of a better term either. For any of that.

Also the fact that the only real legitimate concerns are written by Remender and Gillen don't matter either.

Originally posted by Galan007
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And considering that all Celestials in the multiverse are essentially canon now, we also have those 5 Celestials featured in the What If: Secret Wars issue stalemating Doom /w/ Beyonder's power + the IG for over 400 years... Can't say much about Beyonder's power(because it is occasionally written laughably low in some alternate universes), but every IG still makes its user 'God' within its native reality... So a handful of Celestials stalemating a Gauntlet for several hundred years --to the point that the gems were completely depleted afterward, and shattered-- is actually quite an amazing feat for the Celestials... Maybe even their *best* feat. /shrug

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True. They've been getting great feats for years. They just aren't dealing with Eternals and Skyfathers anymore. IG level threats more like it and we saw how that went before they started getting written by Gillen.

i think Hickman reduced the power of the gaunlet,in the actual 616 universe he beat the one above all,and Ziran very easy.Thanos also beat Eternity,Galactus,Death,and many other cosmics as well at the same time

Originally posted by zom1967
i think Hickman reduced the power of the gaunlet,in the actual 616 universe he beat the one above all,and Ziran very easy.Thanos also beat Eternity,Galactus,Death,and many other cosmics as well at the same time

The IG fluctarates in power. While it's true that in one reality Doom with the IG spend 400 years defeating 5 Celestials (I thought it was the race but nvm), a member of the Council of Reeds oneshot 4 Celestials instantly, so I don't think the power of the IG's recently has been reduced.

All Celestials are not created equal--some are obviously far more powerful than others(Scathan is a prime example of this.) That said, the 5 Celestials who stalemated Doom /w/ Beyonder+IG in that What If were obviously some of the race's elitists.

Originally posted by Galan007
All Celestials are not created equal--some are obviously far more powerful than others(Scathan is a prime example of this.) That said, the 5 Celestials who stalemated Doom /w/ Beyonder+IG in that What If were obviously some of the race's elitists.

Do you happen to have the scan at hand? I could have sworn it was implied by Doom that he ended their entire race in that universe.

^ We saw Doom fighting the same 5 Celestials the entire issue. When the fight concluded, we see the remains of those same 5 Celestials floating in space, and Doom merely says: "The Celestials are no more."

Here is the entire Doom/Celestials sequence that we were shown:
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http://i.imgur.com/fwF3KQL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/K052vdU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TRXWwWU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wkQ7voC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jFglbOj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xOj1xQD.jpg
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Sorry

Originally posted by Galan007
All Celestials are not created equal--some are obviously far more powerful than others(Scathan is a prime example of this.) That said, the 5 Celestials who stalemated Doom /w/ Beyonder+IG in that What If were obviously some of the race's elitists.
I just don`t by that the Gauntlet in that universe,is anywhere near the power of the one in the 616 universe.That was the strongest Celestial the One Above All,and Ziran who is another high level Celestial.And I don`t think the overrated Scathan has been seen for about 18 years or so,one writers opinion from so long ago who does not even exist in Marvels 616.Is more powerful than the Celestial O.A.A,I think not.

What you 'buy' is irrelevant. It has been well-established by Hickman(and others) that all IGs in current continuity are equal in the sense that they all make you 'God' within a single universe.

Your Celestials analogy(or w/e that is) is just silly.

ok genius

Originally posted by Galan007
What you 'buy' is irrelevant. It has been well-established by Hickman(and others) that all IGs in current continuity are equal in the sense that they all make you 'God' within a single universe.

Your Celestials analogy(or w/e that is) is just silly.

How did Thanos in the 616 main universe beat the head of all the Celestials,O.A.A,Ziran the tester,eternity himself,death,galactus,mephisto,the stranger,love and hate,kronos,and eon with ease.Yet it takes Doom 400 years to beat 5 celestials.Sure sounds like the 616 Gauntlet is more powerful!

This is what the Celestials think of you all....canon

The user, perhaps?

Hey it could be.

Originally posted by Juntai
The user, perhaps?
But Doom and Reed are rivals in the smarts department,Reed smoked 5 or 6 of them with his Gauntlet.Thanos smoked all the cosmics in 616 with his.How come Doom took like 400 years to beat 5 Celestials.Because his gauntlet was weaker than the 616 gauntlet.Is that really so hard to wrap your head around?

Originally posted by Galan007
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And considering that all Celestials in the multiverse are essentially canon now, we also have those 5 Celestials featured in the What If: Secret Wars issue stalemating Doom /w/ Beyonder's power + the IG for over 400 years... Can't say much about Beyonder's power(because it is occasionally written laughably low in some alternate universes), but every IG still makes its user 'God' within its native reality... So a handful of Celestials stalemating a Gauntlet for several hundred years --to the point that the gems were completely depleted afterward, and shattered-- is actually quite an amazing feat for the Celestials... Maybe even their *best* feat. /shrug

It wasnt just 5 Celestials stalemating Doom with Classic Beyonders + the IG...

It was the entire Celestial race...

And there race features far more than just 5 individuals...

Sure, only 5 are shown on panel, but its implied he ended their race...

Originally posted by Galan007
What you 'buy' is irrelevant. It has been well-established by Hickman(and others) that all IGs in current continuity are equal in the sense that they all make you 'God' within a single universe.

Your Celestials analogy(or w/e that is) is just silly.

No IG, even 616 IG makes one GOD in any universe...why?

Because its not all powerful; there are powers (like the LT and those beyond LT) that can beat any IG in its native universe...

Last I looked being all powerful (meaning that nothing is beyond you) is a prerequisite for being GOD...

No IG qualifies...

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And 3 of them took down the real full Living Tribunal. I don't get how you think this is a low showing on their part. Fact is, out of every abstract they ran through, only Eson managed to damage one on panel.

Good for any Skyfather. Exitar killed the entire planet coming at him at once before they changed time.
Name a skyfather that it would take the power of every being on Earth times two to stop them from descending.
Exitar wasn't throwing a punch or stomping his feet, he was simply descending from levitation. Zeus alone was having trouble with the Avengers to a degree and that's an actual fight. Pretty much every other Skyfather level being besides Odin and Zeus got beat by Thor. Now imagine it took every single hero on Earth to simply halt a Skyfather from moving slowly downwards. Then times that by two.
Rogue had every power in the book stacked on top of each other, based on showings she would have annihilated Zeus.
But that's a story for another day.

Yea. And that was left over energy from Tiamut's head that Sinister didn't even have anymore. It wasn't even close to his full power. And it was splitting its power across thousands of things and still had the power to beat each P5 user. Who had the power to effortlessly destroy heralds.
Of course the full Force should overcome that, but the fact that random bits of shards of Tiamut's power can beat a 5th of the Force isn't looking too great.

Maybe, maybe not. But considering the only thing a tiny artifact like that has done is beat up Thanos isn't exactly backing up the case for it being pis.

That he would never use. And it has nothing to do with Odin's power being near their own either. It's a straight up plot device.
Arguing he would use it is like saying Thor could recreate the same weapon in the heat of battle.

A random gun that worked better than the Ultimate Nullifier in the same showing? What a weak gun that it does more damage than the UN in the same page. Yes, the universal entropy gun sounds like a real street level weapon too.

The Godkiller is a pussy? And yeah it was seen again, the whole point of the arc was that it was really ****ing powerful and way too dangerous to be in the universe. The fact that it got beaten by them apparently too doesn't register.
It literally got ported out of the universe because it was way too dangerous.

You didn't even read that story either. Tiamut was falling apart because his head was missing and Magneto acted like a central nervous system to hold it back together so the shards of its body didn't continue one shotting X-Men. Tiamut wasn't even alive for lack of a better term either. For any of that.

Also the fact that the only real legitimate concerns are written by Remender and Gillen don't matter either.

Actually my friend Ziran the tester backed by the power of Eason,Damaged a Beyonder just enough to piss him off.They where never in any danger.and you could not even see the damage after he wiped them out like nothing!So don`t make it like they had a chance!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
It wasnt just 5 Celestials stalemating Doom with Classic Beyonders + the IG...

It was the entire Celestial race...

And there race features far more than just 5 individuals...

Sure, only 5 are shown on panel, but its implied he ended their race...


Yup. That's how I always saw it too. Doom stated "They do not stop coming" and after 400 years "the Celestials are no more." I always assumed the writer meant to imply that Doom took on the entire Celestial race in that universe wave after wave until they all died.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No IG, even 616 IG makes one GOD in any universe...why?

Because its not all powerful; there are powers (like the LT and those beyond LT) that can beat any IG in its native universe...

Last I looked being all powerful (meaning that nothing is beyond you) is a prerequisite for being GOD...

No IG qualifies...


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The LT is/was above the Classic IG.

People like Protege, Scathan, the Beyonders, the HotU, etc.. would show any IG wielder who "God" really is. Hell, in one alternate universe Anomaly Maelstrom was stalemating Thanos with the IG.

That`s not exactly true either,if you remember.Warlock in the 616 universe was ready to face the Tribunal.And he said is that the kind of god you are,you are ready to destroy all reality if we battle?and I think Warlock says no I am the kind of god who sees the future and is held prisoner by it.The Tribunal says then you submit to the judgement.And Adam says as we both always new i would(because they could both see the future).So Adam in the 616 universe was close to the Tribunal in power that he feared for the universe.

Boy this really makes me right,Doom had the Beyonder`s power on top of the gauntlet.and it still took him 400 years to win!what a complete joke.I don`t care if their where a billion celestials.They get smoked in a minute by both combined.Oh Brother are you all 10 year olds!

^Calm down.

Only I may flip my shit over irrelevant stuff.