University of Oklahoma racism scandal

For those who don't know, the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity chapter of OU were caught on video singing racist chants:

YouTube video

This scandal has of course sparked national controversy and protests. Rapper Waka Flocks Flame cancelled his concert there and football recruit Jean Delance quit the team in response to the video. Death threats were issued to the chanters, and several SAE alumni have left.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/544255/oklahoma-sae-fraternity-suing-university-over-racism-allegations

What do you think? Are they racists deserving to be villified? Kids who made a mistake? Or does the first amendment give them a right to be racist?

Most importantly, between this and the recent unpunished murders of Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner, what does this say about the state of racism in this country?

The kids got expelled. Out of millions of Black Americans a few incidents the media makes a big deal about because racism sells.

No wonder they like it, they make money off it.

Btw Zimmerman was Hispanic, not white.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman

I guess you didn't know Blacks and Mexicans hate each other..

They are racists. Some of them probably did make a mistake and don't really hold outright racist beliefs. The first amendment is not an absolute right, there are caveats, however it should protect them from government prosecution, not however from consequences like people being disgusted by them and voicing that opinion nor the University of Oklahoma expelling them for misconduct.

It's one of many incident which show that racism is alive and thriving. Obviously racism's face has changed, but it is still prevalent, and it's still harmful.

Originally posted by Bardock42
They are racists. Some of them probably did make a mistake and don't really hold outright racist beliefs. The first amendment is not an absolute right, there are caveats, however it should protect them from government prosecution, not however from consequences like people being disgusted by them and voicing that opinion nor the University of Oklahoma expelling them for misconduct.

It's one of many incident which show that racism is alive and thriving. Obviously racism's face has changed, but it is still prevalent, and it's still harmful.

Racism exists world wide, this isn't just an American problem or is Germany the Mecca of equality?

Also like the article says Black Americas problem isn't white racism.

http://humanevents.com/2013/07/19/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism/

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Racism exists world wide, this isn't just an American problem or is Germany the Mecca of equality?

He just said racism exists, not that it's worse in America (even though it most likely is).

Why can't you react without overshooting the mark?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Racism exists world wide, this isn't just an American problem or is Germany the Mecca of equality?

You are correct that racism exists worldwide, also in Germany. The US has a special problem with racism due to its history of chattel slavery and segregation.

Just as Germany is shaped by its history and the atrocity of Nazism and the Holocaust, so the US is shaped by its atrocities, however the process of dealing with that history has been much more slow, painful and stretched out due to the success of the United States over the last 2 centuries. While progress has been made the issue is still prevalent, and imo, one of the biggest that the United States face.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are correct that racism exists worldwide, also in Germany. The US has a special problem with racism due to its history of chattel slavery and segregation.

Just as Germany is shaped by its history and the atrocity of Nazism and the Holocaust, so the US is shaped by its atrocities, however the process of dealing with that history has been much more slow, painful and stretched out due to the success of the United States over the last 2 centuries. While progress has been made the issue is still prevalent, and imo, one of the biggest that the United States face.

Actually it's the Middle East with the biggest racial issues, not America.

I didn't make a statement regarding comparative size of the problem of racism in different parts of the world.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I didn't make a statement regarding comparative size of the problem of racism in different parts of the world.

Ah yes but you don't really care nor concern yourself with Middle East racism. Just America. Middle East racism is far more rampant and deadly then here and closer to you, I would think you would concern yourself more with that then Americas problems with it.

You are right. I don't have much knowledge about racism in the Middle East. The United States are a country I am more interested in, and that I care about more than any in the Middle East.

Obviously I also won't take your word for it, since you have in the past shown to be blatantly misinformed on almost anything you choose to speak about.

At any rate, this thread is about the prevalent racism in the United States, so that is what I am commenting on.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are right. I don't have much knowledge about racism in the Middle East. The United States are a country I am more interested in, and that I care about more than any in the Middle East.

Obviously I also won't take your word for it, since you have in the past shown to be blatantly misinformed on almost anything you choose to speak about.

At any rate, this thread is about the prevalent racism in the United States, so that is what I am commenting on.

You been misinformed about many things. But hey your only human. My point was that the small amount of racism in American between whites and blacks is vastly inferior to the crimes that are committed. You can blame racism but when a minority is committing all the crime, who's racist? Did you know thatt blacks are more racist then whites in America?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
when a minority is committing all the crime, who's racist?

The justice system?

Originally posted by Bardock42
The justice system?

The individuals, or do you not believe people can control their own actions?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Did you know thatt blacks are more racist then whites in America?

Where are you pulling this from?

Originally posted by -Pr-
He just said racism exists, not that it's worse in America (even though it most likely is).

Uh, no. It's far worse in many places including Europe. Just look at Greece.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Btw Zimmerman was Hispanic, not white.

Originally posted by ares834
Where are you pulling this from?

Uh, no. It's far worse in many places including Europe. Just look at Greece.

Greece is bad, yes. As is Spain. Italy too. Would you still say they were as bad as the USA though?

Germany though? You think Germany has a bigger race problem than America? Really?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The individuals, or do you not believe people can control their own actions?

I think people have some influence over their own actions, but reducing decision making to just that, and pretending there are no other factors is completely wrong imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Greece is bad, yes. As is Spain. Italy too. Would you still say they were as bad as the USA though?

Germany though? You think Germany has a bigger race problem than America? Really?

Greece and Italy are far worse. Yes. No clue on Spain or Germany but then I never mentioned them.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think people have some influence over their own actions, but reducing decision making to just that, and pretending there are no other factors is completely wrong imo.

So blacks have no free will and can't make the right decisions, sounds dangerous close to being racist if you think that way.