University of Oklahoma racism scandal

I guess my problem is..didn't they ban everyone from the frat? Was EVERY single person taking part in a racist song? If not, it doesn't make sense to punish everyone.

I'm sure some are saying "well if they weren't singing they just sat there and let it happen", well, what do you those people were supposed to do? I would of felt EXTREMELY uncomfortable in such a situation, and I wouldn't know what to say or how to stop it. They were riding on a bus, right? So..did they expect everyone who wasn't racist to just force the bus to pull over so they could get off? I'm confused here.

Really? Expelled a group of students over some ****ing chants?
Is this how soft our generation has become? I never thought the PG Era could be any worse.

Methinks you brought this up to counter that thread about that black girl beating on a white girl and her younger brother.

These dickbags weren't expelled over a rendition of Queen's "We Will Rock You" type "chant" Asbestos.

This was racist douchery.

**** 'em.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Really? Expelled a group of students over some ****ing chants?
Is this how soft our generation has become? I never thought the PG Era could be any worse.

Methinks you brought this up to counter that thread about that black girl beating on a white girl and her younger brother.

So if they were chanting about, say, raping a child, would you want them to be immune from punishment from that as well?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Really? Expelled a group of students over some ****ing chants?
Is this how soft our generation has become? I never thought the PG Era could be any worse.

Methinks you brought this up to counter that thread about that black girl beating on a white girl and her younger brother.

Well you should be expelled when you chant about hanging Blacks and how a Black person will never be your equal or colleague.

Ho-hum.
It's the "don't judge me 'cause I'm black" circular reasoning again.

Btw, I never said anything of the sort. I've never generalized black people as thugs.
The majority of American blacks (keywords: majority, American) probably are, based on what I've seen from the media and the people I've personally encountered, but there are those who are definitely not.

What does any of that have to do with the OU controversy?

As a black man who had has probably observed more blacks than you, I can confidently say that's not the case. Maybe teenagers act like that, but most black men I know have matured past such thinking.

Thing is though, you answered a question that wasn't asked. Are you saying because, IYO, "most blacks are thugs", that these SAE asswipes are justified in singing their chant and deserve no punishment for it?

Seems like you chose a thread involving the topic of racism just to spout your generalized views instead of analyzing the topic itself. TI did the exact same thing.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon

Btw, I never said anything of the sort. I've never generalized black people as thugs.

The majority of American blacks [...] probably are [thugs]

Edited for clarity of what's being said.

Originally posted by Quincy
These dickbags weren't expelled over a rendition of Queen's "We Will Rock You" type "chant" Asbestos.

This was racist douchery.

**** 'em.

Yeah, but then shouldn't it be that the only people punished are those who were specifically taking part in the chanting?

I also can't help wondering what people would be saying if the situation were reversed. If some black students were caught on tape singing a racist song about white kids and they were then EXPELLED from school for it, would people still be as outraged? Would they still support the students being expelled?

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, but then shouldn't it be that the only people punished are those who were specifically taking part in the chanting?

Does the video record the entire incident? Maybe it was like, how can we be sure to punish the specific chanters? If it was everyone involved, the only option they have is to punish all of them cohesively. Set an example.

Originally posted by Surtur
If some black students were caught on tape singing a racist song about white kids and they were then EXPELLED from school for it, would people still be as outraged? Would they still support the students being expelled?

Yes they would support the kids being expelled.

Originally posted by Quincy
Does the video record the entire incident? Maybe it was like, how can we be sure to punish the specific chanters? If it was everyone involved, the only option they have is to punish all of them cohesively. Set an example.

But why would the example they want to set be "well, if you can't figure out who did something just punish EVERYONE involved" ?

If they have no evidence someone took part in this racist chant, then they have no legitimate reason to expel them. A person gets their life ruined forever just so an example can be set?

Should've stood up to their frat rather than stand by and allow them to be racist. A few bad apples spoils the whole bunch.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Should've stood up to their frat rather than stand by and allow them to be racist. A few bad apples spoils the whole bunch.

Right, so they should of..what, gotten up and left the bus? Or do you feel they should of tried to confront a bus full of obnoxious a-holes all so they didn't appear racist?

But here, let us say a few people did get up and try to stop them. How? Physically restrain them? Beat them down until they can no longer talk? Since merely saying "hey stop that" isn't going to magically cause these pr*cks to stop.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, but then shouldn't it be that the only people punished are those who were specifically taking part in the chanting?

I also can't help wondering what people would be saying if the situation were reversed. If some black students were caught on tape singing a racist song about white kids and they were then EXPELLED from school for it, would people still be as outraged? Would they still support the students being expelled?

That Black frat would've been banished just as well. I don't support anit-White songs or movements.

So it's okay to be complacent with hatred?

And BTW, when I was in middle school I went to a black prep school. As I stated above, black teens are immature, and were thus making fun of a white kid. Me and my brother stood up to them and they summarily stopped their crap. So....yeah....

Originally posted by Surtur
But why would the example they want to set be "well, if you can't figure out who did something just punish EVERYONE involved" ?

If they have no evidence someone took part in this racist chant, then they have no legitimate reason to expel them. A person gets their life ruined forever just so an example can be set?

What would your suggestion be then? I'm sure they weighed the different options. Have you been in a fraternity? Those are your brothers and shit. Once you're in, you're like a family. For better or worse or something.

Are you more annoyed with the racist chant or the punishment?

Originally posted by Surtur
Since merely saying "hey stop that" isn't going to magically cause these pr*cks to stop.

But at least it shows an effort. Better than being complacent with hatred just because everyone else was doing it. If we just stood around because we were too afraid to confront hatred bigger than us, where would humanity be right now?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
That Black frat would've been banished just as well. I don't support anit-White songs or movements.

I guess people misunderstood the question. I'm not saying the black frat wouldn't be banned, I'm wondering if as many people would SUPPORT the banning?

Or do you feel some people would try to play the victim? There is no nice way to say it, but I think you can agree some people are of the opinion that if a certain race has suffered a lot of racism in the past..that gives them some leeway on being racist in the present. I saw some people having a similar attitude with the whole Ferguson thing, in the sense of saying "well it's wrong, but on the other hand they have dealt with a lot of racism in the past."

We're punishing people for not standing up to ignorance?

If so then we should all be in jail for not actively stopping TI's posts.