University of Oklahoma racism scandal

Originally posted by Lestov16
But at least it shows an effort. Better than being complacent with hatred just because everyone else was doing it. If we just stood around because we were too afraid to confront hatred bigger than us, where would humanity be right now?

But see, I think you need to take into account things like peer pressure. It exists, even in college. I just don't know..if I'd punish people for essentially being cowards. Or rather, I don't know if I'd EXPEL them for it.

It's not always easy to stand up to bullies, and make no mistake: that is exactly what these people are, bullies.

Originally posted by krisblaze
We're punishing people for not standing up to ignorance?

If so then we should all be in jail for not actively stopping TI's posts.

I did, but got out for time (immemorial) served.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I did, but got out for time (immemorial) served.

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In all seriousness. America is seemingly a country where the ruling mindset is that "people are poor because they're lazy".

And you want people to be punished for not standing up to racism? Which is just ignorance/media scare.

It seems so pointless to make one brand of ignorance illegal and not the other.

Originally posted by Surtur
I guess people misunderstood the question. I'm not saying the black frat wouldn't be banned, I'm wondering if as many people would SUPPORT the banning?

Or do you feel some people would try to play the victim? There is no nice way to say it, but I think you can agree some people are of the opinion that if a certain race has suffered a lot of racism in the past..that gives them some leeway on being racist in the present. I saw some people having a similar attitude with the whole Ferguson thing, in the sense of saying "well it's wrong, but on the other hand they have dealt with a lot of racism in the past."

The White people in the video are trying to play the victim and they have people supporting them. I would fully support a Black frat getting canned for racial slurs and songs. Ferguson is a racist town, nothing more I can say about that.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Ho-hum.
It's the "don't judge me 'cause I'm black" circular reasoning again.

Btw, I never said anything of the sort. I've never generalized black people as thugs.
The majority of American blacks (keywords: majority, American) probably are, based on what I've seen from the media and the people I've personally encountered, but there are those who are definitely not.

Originally posted by Surtur
I guess people misunderstood the question. I'm not saying the black frat wouldn't be banned, I'm wondering if as many people would SUPPORT the banning?

Yes they would. There would probably be about as much opposition to their ban as there is to this one.

Originally posted by Surtur
Or do you feel some people would try to play the victim? There is no nice way to say it, but I think you can agree some people are of the opinion that if a certain race has suffered a lot of racism in the past..that gives them some leeway on being racist in the present.

Some, but they are a minority, and most certainly do not represent the aggregate view of the black community.

Originally posted by Surtur
I saw some people having a similar attitude with the whole Ferguson thing, in the sense of saying "well it's wrong, but on the other hand they have dealt with a lot of racism in the past."

And those people were immediately vilified by the black community at large. Every black person I know, both personally and in the media, said the looting/rioting in Ferguson was wretched and made blacks look bad.

I do feel people should stand up for things, but as someone who was bullied in school I know..it's not always easy to be the odd man out and stand up to these people. It might be the right thing to do, but it's not an easy thing to do..and it sort of feels like these kids were punished for being cowards.

Especially given how expensive paying for college can be? I don't know if I'd of expelled them for not trying to silence a large group of racist d-bags. Or maybe I am overestimating the toll being expelled for college for racism could take on a persons future.

Originally posted by krisblaze
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In all seriousness. America is seemingly a country where the ruling mindset is that "people are poor because they're lazy".

And you want people to be punished for not standing up to racism? Which is just ignorance/media scare.

It seems so pointless to make one brand of ignorance illegal and not the other.

In America, if one guy stood up and was video taped voicing his opinion against all of that then he would've been a 15 minute celebrity. They would've dubbed him "The boy with the courage to say stop." A lot of those boys missed a great opportunity.

Originally posted by krisblaze
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In all seriousness. America is seemingly a country where the ruling mindset is that "people are poor because they're lazy".

And you want people to be punished for not standing up to racism? Which is just ignorance/media scare.

It seems so pointless to make one brand of ignorance illegal and not the other.

Well I said nothing about legality. Expulsion isn't a legal process, is it?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In America, if one guy stood up and was video taped voicing his opinion against all of that then he would've been a 15 minute celebrity. They would've dubbed him "The boy with the courage to say stop." A lot of those boys missed a great opportunity.

The problem is people are not always thinking ahead in terms of "gee if I act a certain way I might become famous".

They might of been not looking for opportunities to get their 15 minutes of fame..they might of just been looking to not confront a large group of racist douchebags at that moment.

So sure, they missed a chance for some fame, but they deserve to be expelled for it? Makes no sense to me. Contrary to what you might think not everyone wants to be a celebrity, and keep in mind: this country is FULL of nutjobs. Some might of thought they were heroes, and others might of thought the exact opposite. Even if a large majority viewed them as heroes..well, it just takes ONE nutjob to f*ck up your life.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In America, if one guy stood up and was video taped voicing his opinion against all of that then he would've been a 15 minute celebrity. They would've dubbed him "The boy with the courage to say stop." A lot of those boys missed a great opportunity.

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Another thing too is that I'm highly doubtful that this is the first instance of racism exhibited by this frat, which means whoever was complacent on that bus had been complacent with the frat's racism for a long while and never said anything, even anonymously.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In America, if one guy stood up and was video taped voicing his opinion against all of that then he would've been a 15 minute celebrity. They would've dubbed him "The boy with the courage to say stop." A lot of those boys missed a great opportunity.

What a bunch of dumb dumbs.

Originally posted by Surtur
The problem is people are not always thinking ahead in terms of "gee if I act a certain way I might become famous".

They might of been not looking for opportunities to get their 15 minutes of fame..they might of just been looking to not confront a large group of racist douchebags at that moment.

So sure, they missed a chance for some fame, but they deserve to be expelled for it? Makes no sense to me. Contrary to what you might think not everyone wants to be a celebrity, and keep in mind: this country is FULL of nutjobs. Some might of thought they were heroes, and others might of thought the exact opposite. Even if a large majority viewed them as heroes..well, it just takes ONE nutjob to f*ck up your life.

Well TBF, I highly doubt anybody on that bus knew the video was going to Youtube. They probably didn't even know they were being filmed.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Another thing too is that I'm highly doubtful that this is the first instance of racism exhibited by this frat, which means whoever was complacent on that bus had been complacent with the frat's racism for a long while and never said anything, even anonymously.

The problem is though..how do we have any way of being sure? I'm sure this wasn't the first time these people were racist, but can I say this is the first time they all acted blatantly racist? I dunno.

Though again I still say, why should someone be expelled for cowardice?

Yeah, I can't get onboard with the expelling the students who weren't singing along and partaking, if there were any indeed not partaking.

Call them cowards, fools or whatever, they technically did nothing wrong.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Well TBF, I highly doubt anybody on that bus knew the video was going to Youtube. They probably didn't even know they were being filmed.

This is another good point. The fact someone leaked the video..doesn't it mean someone DID have a problem with what they did?

It's either that or these people were so naive they thought posting a video of them singing a racist chant wouldn't be seen in a negative light? I will admit, some people can be THAT ignorant. It's also possible someone began recording just to expose these douches.

Yeah they are cowards, but some seem to be acting like this is equivalent to deserting your post during a time of war and going awol or something.

I do see your point, but if anything, this would get the "innocents" expelled more pissed off at their racist frat than anything else, which I guess is kind of the point.

I guess I'm less empathetic because, as I said before, I am unafraid to stand up to hatred on a bus, and I'm most certainly not the bravest person in the world. I would hope that privileged college students would have more fortitude than me, but I guess not.

Actually, the students that did nothing could be seen as guilty for not reporting threats of violence. Do wonder if the school used this as a reason to expel everyone, regardless if they chanted along or not.

Wait, the school expelled everyone involved? Are you sure? I thought it was only the two leaders of the group.

Expelling people who were simply there and not chanting along is, frankly, ridiculous.