Molecule Man vs. Thanos w/HOTU · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Insane Titan Senior Member

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You are incapable of rational debate...arent you?
Why are you always so angry?
You anger is what got your previous persona, Nihilist, banned...
Dont you learn from your mistakes?

who's angry ? I'm not the one acting like a child.

My old account wasn't banned you've been corrected several times and still you don't understand.

All you have to do is prove your point you've been saying, so let's see the scans

Mr Master Junior Member

Re: The Tribunal made our sun go nova in this what if

Originally posted by zom1967
Dont assume,just ask me where I saw it and I will tell you!

I'm not "assuming" friend. I was asking rhetorically since I know no such evidence exists.

Originally posted by zom1967
Korvac had alredy absorbed the powers of 6 or 7 of the mightiest cosmics and the whole Celestial host on earth.
[b]when the Tribunal met out punishment,
Korvac was as huge as a planet and resisted him.
The Tribunal gave up this universe for dead and sealed it off. [/B]

Korvac never met, or even saw the LT, so how did he resist him? Actually that's more sarcasm.

No, what really happened is that the LT for whatever "What If" retarded reasons,
decided to use the local puny sun to attack Korvac.
LT, instead of his own power which can at-least encase an entire universe in the story,
used a single star against a guy who had absorbed a celestial host, 7 cosmics, and all on Earth 😂 🤨

If that wasn't CIS/PIS enough, we later learn that it was Miss Death that helped Korvac somehow survive the sun.
Meh, after nullification Korvac ended up in Miss Death's realm as her pawn in life, so in death.

So again, Korvac never met, saw, confronted or resisted the LT directly.

Mr Master Junior Member

Molecule Man did not stalemate the Beyonder, Owen was overwhelmed quickly.

TheLordofMurder Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
I would love to see scans of this horse shit fallacy ...
Beware LoM of the ill-info spread by intransigent bias.

Wasnt it all (canon wise) a ruse set up by the cosmics?

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Wasnt it all (canon wise) a ruse set up by the cosmics?

No good friend.

Everything happened with the exception of Beyonder being "millionS of times" greater, and the Celestial beat down.

But everything else, occurred, including killing Death, & threatening Eternity's life,
even Eternity mooching some of Beyonder's power to attack him via the Beyonderbane machine.

Heck, even post retcon Owen and Beyonder contributed in a beyond-Multiversal feat.

... meh, Beyonder's power alone became/remade all creation (past-present-future) in 2010.

TheLordofMurder Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
No good friend.
Everything happened with the exception of Beyonder being "millionS of times" greater, and the Celestial beat down.
But everything else, occurred, including killing Death, & threatening Eternity's life,
even Eternity mooching some of Beyonder's power to attack him via the Beyonderbane machine.
Heck, even post retcon Owen and Beyonder contributed in a beyond-Multiversal feat.
... meh, Beyonder's power alone became/remade all creation (past-present-future) in 2010.

I am aware of the Death event still remaining canon, the fight Post Retcon Owen/Beyonder had, and the remaking of all reality...I've spoken on those things previously.

It was the Celestial event that I was confused on; so what you are saying is that that fight (between Classic Beyonder and the Celestials) was ultimately an illusion cast by the Celestials to fool the Beyonder?

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

It was the Celestial event that I was confused on; so what you are saying is that that fight (between Classic Beyonder and the Celestials) was ultimately an illusion cast by the Celestials to fool the Beyonder?

Yes. Although that's senseless. It was never portrayed on panel. It's based on a single statement.

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Branlor
I didnt lie at all; my post is 100% truth...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
(which lead to me beating you)

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You cant hide the fact that you put words in my mouth and accused me of saying something that I didnt say; you invalidated your argument and no amount of scans or text can change that...
Just give up...
You lost the fight without even getting out of the 1st round; even Insane Titan put up more resistance than you did...

😂

So me putting words in your mouth means that a completely other unrelated note doesn't count? Desperation 101.

"You scorned me, your argument doesn't count"

Also, you tried to invalidate the HOTU's statement, followed along, and then realized how many statements Beyonder's power is based on and then backtracked to hell.
Even if I did put those words in your mouth, it isn't unfounded.

And here's an important part as well:

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you're arguing statements don't matter with HOTU

Not that I care about putting words in your mouth since you're seriously backtracking, and the words I jammed in your mouth have nothing to do with the actual meat of the "argument" in the first place. I could have said that you were saying the HOTU is weaker than Silver Surfer, and that would still have no effect on the actual important details.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
FYI, Owens power originated beyond our reality, so its not included in that 1 million times statement...
Also, Classic Beyonders power has been referred to as GODS power on several occasions as well...
And when you add to the equation that the HotU didnt provide Thanos with true omnipresence (which I point out in a previous post), then its not truly allpowerful regardless of what the text says...

It doesn't matter where Molecule Man's power came from, that statement doesn't exclude.
And it outright says in the multiverse. Molecule Man has never been outside the multiverse to my recollection at that point.
Here, this outright states that Molecule Man is part of the powers in the multiverse:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/13_1.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/14_1.jpg

Thanos was everything.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-03.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-04.jpg

And when he wasn't, he was distracted by acclimating to the powers. Everything in the comic is blatantly spelled out. He missed Warlock because he was in a blind rage. He missed the abstracts plotting because he was distracted by his newfound senses. He also flawlessly told everything that happened immediately after he did it to Warlock and he didn't miss a single detail. So uh, yeah.

Not that I understand how omnipresence has anything to do with a forum battle. This is about power, not Thanos becoming a sun and shining some sunshine rays on Molecule Man.

However, in addition to the above two scans, Thanos was referred to as God's power or the supreme power, or divine power, or almight in at least 21 different pages. And that's ignoring terms like "omnipotent, limitless, or infinite". With them it becomes double... maybe even triple.
That's basically an entire comic worth of pages reaffirming that he indeed has God's power. You want to talk about ultimate statements?
And I'm just counting the pages. The pages within contain way more references that keep on confirming it over and over again.

And in three separate issues outside the actual event too:

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/thanos08.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/thanos09.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/thanos10.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/thanos01.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Revelation-038.jpg

Also, Beyonder wasn't completely omnipresent either, nor was his omniscient. I don't see you doubting his power. The difference was however, that Thanos was those things.
The double standards here are ridiculous on your behalf.

zom1967 Senior Member

Re: Re: The Tribunal made our sun go nova in this what if

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not "assuming" friend. I was asking rhetorically since I know no such evidence exists.
Korvac never met, or even saw the LT, so how did he resist him? Actually that's more sarcasm.
No, what really happened is that the LT for whatever "What If" retarded reasons,
decided to use the local puny sun to attack Korvac.
LT, instead of his own power which can at-least encase an entire universe in the story,
used a single star against a guy who had absorbed a celestial host, 7 cosmics, and all on Earth 😂 🤨
If that wasn't CIS/PIS enough, we later learn that it was Miss Death that helped Korvac somehow survive the sun.
Meh, after nullification Korvac ended up in Miss Death's realm as her pawn in life, so in death.
So again, Korvac never met, saw, confronted or resisted the LT directly.

I can agree they never directly met,but Korvac did resist his power when the sun went nova.So the tribunal sealed off this universe and left.I know after that korvac uses the nullifier and destroys the universe,what death has to do with it I forgot have the book but haven`t read it in like 20years,so you could be right about that too!

Stoic Avenger

Thanos would absolutely dominate Owen, even at his best. You could probably give Owen the LT, Beyonder, and several other Abstract's, and I bet that they would still be trashed.

zom1967 Senior Member

I dont know my friend.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos would absolutely dominate Owen, even at his best. You could probably give Owen the LT, Beyonder, and several other Abstract's, and I bet that they would still be trashed.

The problem here is the H.O.T.U A multi-versal weapon.I don`t think so I.M.O,Owen had Multi-versal power`s in S.W 1 and 2.(at least when Doom helped him out)So I can see him or the Beyonder taking out Thanos,no matter how much universal power he gained.That sounds logical to me!

Mr Master Junior Member

^^ By the time Thanos absorbed the LT,

the LT had already manipulated the power of Two Comic book companies in one hand.

Originally posted by zom1967

but Korvac did resist his power when the sun went nova.

No my friend. Korvac did not resist the LT's power.

Korvac resisted the local sun going nova which the LT initiated.

When the LT exercised his power directly against Korvac he displayed absolute universal influence over that reality.

There are billionS of stars in a single galaxy, one can only imagine what a universe contains,
yet the LT decided to use a single star against Korvac. 😐
Mind you, and LT knew about Korvac absorbing the Celestial host and others. Dumb shit.

Gruenwald should've never included the LT in that story.
Because evidently he didn't know what to do with him and ended up cissing/pissing all over em.

Anyway, the story called for Korvac to end the universe, which is why Griuenwald wasn't able to use the LT to stomp em.
Which again leads to my point, the LT had no business there.

Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist

Yet krvac resisted LTs ultimate judgement, canon if peeps like it or not.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by zom1967
but Korvac did resist his power when the sun went nova.

So yea, perhaps his "ultimate judgement" had nothing to do with his power exercised directly.

.. cause there's like an infinite gap between a solar power and universal power:

Making a sun go nova = solar level

Separating an entire universe in a barrier = universal level

Actually ... 😆 ...

Branlor Swift Dead

Didn't herald Nova destroy a sun before or around that What If?

Living Tribunal's power is only limited to herald power is what people are trying to say or something?

zom1967 Senior Member

ok,If you want to split hairs

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ By the time Thanos absorbed the LT,
the [b]LT had already manipulated the power of Two Comic book companies in one hand.
No my friend. Korvac did not resist the LT's power.
Korvac resisted the local sun going nova which the LT initiated.
When the LT exercised his power directly against Korvac he displayed absolute universal influence over that reality.
There are billionS of stars in a single galaxy, one can only imagine what a universe contains,
yet the LT decided to use a single star against Korvac. 😐
Mind you, and LT knew about Korvac absorbing the Celestial host and others. Dumb shit.
Gruenwald should've never included the LT in that story.
Because evidently he didn't know what to do with him and ended up cissing/pissing all over em.
Anyway, the story called for Korvac to end the universe, which is why Griuenwald wasn't able to use the LT to stomp em.
Which again leads to my point, the LT had no business there. [/B]

your right,but I am not really sure the Tribunal was no.2 then,and if you want to split hairs about his power your right again.But you have to admit Korvac was such a bad ass in this universe the Tribunal almost shit himself.I don`t no if they have depends for cosmic beings,but I may have cornered the market!

Mr Master Junior Member

^^ The only problem with that story is Gruenwald including the LT.

There are also several inconsistencies.

Like why would Miss Death need to help Korvac survive a silly sun going nova? (amongst other senseless shit)

btw. The only one who shitted his pants was Korvac himself, at the sight of that universal armada coming for em.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Didn't herald Nova destroy a sun before or around that What If?

👆

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Living Tribunal's power is only limited to herald power is what people are trying to say or something?

Well, one is actually legitimately ill-informed, the other is just the gum that trails my foot steps.

Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Didn't herald Nova destroy a sun before or around that What If?
Living Tribunal's power is only limited to herald power is what people are trying to say or something?

In that Universe he didn't had much more he could do it seems, another supreme being was in that Universe above him.

zom1967 Senior Member

I really don`t know?

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ The only problem with that story is Gruenwald including the LT.
There are also several inconsistencies.
Like why would Miss Death need to help Korvac survive a silly sun going nova? (amongst other senseless shit)
btw. The only one who shitted his pants was Korvac himself, at the sight of that universal armada coming for em.
👆
Well, one is actually legitimately ill-informed, the other is just the gum that trails my foot steps.

And don`t care if you have a problem with me(never said a bad word about you,just like arguing comics)And don`t know if Death helped Korvac survive,He had the power to tank a sun going nova at that point.The tribunal actually seemed like a bit of a coward in that issue(By the way it is a great what if ,if you like cosmics i think it was around issue 27 to 30.If anyone knows please post it,it`s worth buying!).Anyway the Tribunal seemed eager to skip town after the sun going nova had no effect on Korvac,and even told that version`s universe of Chaos And Order to skip town if they could.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos
Beyonder would still be trashed.

Imo, ultimately classic Beyonder stalemates the HOTI. (but I've argued on Beyonder's behalf to win)