Molecule Man vs. Thanos w/HOTU

Originally posted by zom1967

And don`t care if you have a problem with me (never said a bad word about you, just like arguing comics)

Originally posted by zom1967

And don`t know if Death helped Korvac survive, He had the power to tank a sun going nova at that point.

When the Stranger decided to use a moon against Earth/Korvac, Korvac actively stopped it:

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When the LT makes the sun go nova, we see no defenses from Korvac, in fact, it's as if Korvac never knew what even happened:

[img=http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706852_K4.jpg]
[img=http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706853_K5.jpg]

No Korvac anywhere, all of a sudden, next page, we see Miss Death stating the universe shall be hers:

Notice Korvac was too busy relishing his new power to ever had notice the sun going nova.

The story gives no indication that he consciously protected the Earth from that nova.

Miss Death probably knowing where Korvac was headed with all this (universal death) ensured his survival. (an opinion)

This idea is further strengthened when we learn Korvac was playing into Miss Death's hands:

"Death - Korvac's unbidden ally ... unwanted master ... the usher of oblivion"

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In another arc, we learn that after Korvac nullified himself, he ends up in Miss Death's realm as one of her toys:

So ... it all fits quite nicely.

Originally posted by zom1967

The tribunal actually seemed like a bit of a coward in that issue(By the way it is a great what if ,if you like cosmics i think it was around issue 27 to 30.If anyone knows please post it,it`s worth buying!).Anyway the Tribunal seemed eager to skip town after the sun going nova had no effect on Korvac,and even told that version`s universe of Chaos And Order to skip town if they could.

As for LT being a coward,
well, it's not his fault his master had em using a sun as a weapon of choice, instead of his at-least universal manipulating powers. 😂

But that silly cis/pis aside: Korvac was also afraid of an inter-galactic armada,
and he concedes he's not more powerful than everyone in that universe combined:

Can`t argue with anything you said my friend.Thanks for all the scans so people kind of know what was going on,and the issue # 32 as well,excellent thank you!

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's cool brother, I luv comics too and our discussion has been respectful, so I have no problem either.

I'm sure he had the power to do so, but he did nothing to protect himself/Earth when that sun went nova.

When the Stranger decided to use a moon against Earth/Korvac, Korvac actively stopped it:

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When the LT makes the sun go nova, we see no defenses from Korvac, in fact, it's as if Korvac never knew what even happened:

[img=http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706852_K4.jpg]
[img=http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22706853_K5.jpg]

No Korvac anywhere, all of a sudden, next page, we see Miss Death stating the universe shall be hers:

Notice Korvac was too busy relishing his new power to ever had notice the sun going nova.

The story gives no indication that he consciously protected the Earth from that nova.

Miss Death probably knowing where Korvac was headed with all this (universal death) ensured his survival. (an opinion)

This idea is further strengthened when we learn Korvac was playing into Miss Death's hands:

"Death - Korvac's unbidden ally ... unwanted master ... the usher of oblivion"

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In another arc, we learn that after Korvac nullified himself, he ends up in Miss Death's realm as one of her toys:

So ... it all fits quite nicely.

It's actually V1 #32. It is a good read, with the exception of a few wtfs.

As for LT being a coward,
well, it's not his fault his master had em using a sun as a weapon of choice, instead of his at-least universal manipulating powers. 😂

But that silly cis/pis aside: Korvac was also afraid of an inter-galactic armada,
and he concedes he's not more powerful than everyone in that universe combined:

Mr Masters how many spatial dimensions does marvel have?

Originally posted by Mr Master
If that wasn't CIS/PIS enough, we later learn that it was Miss Death that helped Korvac somehow survive the sun.
Meh, after nullification Korvac ended up in Miss Death's realm as her pawn in life, so in death.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234

Mr Masters how many spatial dimensions does marvel have?

But, according to Dr Strange there are realities outside the infinity of alternate universes,
there's another set of universes with less than 2 dimensions, and others with more than 6.
I also think the number goes up or down infinitely. (so maaaad universes)

So it varies according to the particular universe you're looking at.

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, do you have this What If issue handy? Can you post a scan of the page where Korvac began absorbing the Celestial Host/Carina/Humanity? On that page, there's a hidden image of Korvac's "secret friend."

Here's the full page:

[img=http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22707891_Death_in_Korvac_full.jpg]

Originally posted by Mr Master

Here's the full page:

[img=http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22707891_Death_in_Korvac_full.jpg]

Originally posted by Mr Master
616, and all alternate realities deriving from 616 (from past-future Timelines to diverged Parallel worlds) have 3 spatial dimensions.
There are many universes not necessarily "alternates of 616" which have 3 as well, but natural laws are different, like the Negative Zone.

But, according to Dr Strange there are realities outside the infinity of alternate universes,
there's another set of universes with less than 2 dimensions, and others with more than 6.
I also think the number goes up or down infinitely. (so maaaad universes)

So it varies according to the particular universe you're looking at.

Here's the full page:

[img=http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22707891_Death_in_Korvac_full.jpg]

How about if we're speaking overall in terms of the highest spatial dimension, or even an infinite spatial dimension? whats the highest marvel has ever gone up to on panel?

Pre-Retcon Molecule Man=Win
Post-Retcon Molecule Man (Cosmic Cube)=Lose
Post-Retcon Molecule Man (Kosmos Origins)=Wins
Current Molecule Man=Lose

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]But, according to Dr Strange there are realities outside the infinity of alternate universes,
there's another set of universes with less than 2 dimensions, and others with more than 6.
I also think the number goes up or down infinitely. (so maaaad universes)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3187164-2.jpg

I think that from this scan, Marvel has transfinite number of universe(X-Axis) and transfinite number of spatial Dimension(Y-Axis,0 to infinite dimension).
But in other site, Marvel multiverse consists of only 16th Dimension because there is scan that Living Tribunal oversee multiverse from 16th Dimension.
What do you think?

Originally posted by CatL18
Is it this page?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3187164-2.jpg

I think that from this scan, Marvel has transfinite number of universe(X-Axis) and transfinite number of spatial Dimension(Y-Axis,0 to infinite dimension).
But in other site, Marvel multiverse consists of only 16th Dimension because there is scan that Living Tribunal oversee multiverse from 16th Dimension.
What do you think?

That scan claims that a universe=dimensions, we dont know what the scan meant by dimensions, is it spatial dimensions or just another term for universe?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234

How about if we're speaking overall in terms of the highest spatial dimension, or even an infinite spatial dimension?

whats the highest marvel has ever gone up to on panel?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234

is it spatial dimensions or just another term for universe?

That scan is from the Strange account I was talking about but,
Strange never gave an estimate as to how many "spatial" dimensions there are in total.

Here's the full concept according to Strange:

[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716393_Multiverse1.jpg]
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716394_Multiverse2.jpg]
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716395_Multiverse3.jpg]

As you can see, while he doesn't clarify exactly how far up or down they go,
it seems imo that one could interpret it as infinite via the context of his explanation.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I honestly don't know if that detail has ever been established.

Yes, just another term.

That scan is from the Strange account I was talking about but,
Strange never gave an estimate as to how many "spatial" dimensions there are in total.

Here's the full concept according to Strange:

[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716393_Multiverse1.jpg]
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716394_Multiverse2.jpg]
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/22716395_Multiverse3.jpg]

As you can see, while he doesn't clarify exactly how far up or down they go,
it seems imo that one could interpret it as infinite via the context of his explanation.

That pretty much confirms that marvel has infinite spatial dimensions, strange used pi as an example of transfinity, to explain that the spatial dimensions also reach out to infinity

i seem to recall a meeting between chaos and order,the Living Tribunal and Eternity happening in 16th dimensional super space!In an f.f annual involving the M.M.!

Originally posted by zom1967
i seem to recall a meeting between chaos and order,the Living Tribunal and Eternity happening in 16th dimensional super space!In an f.f annual involving the M.M.!

Well I can tell you this,I read dummied down physics books.One is by Miccio Kaku he is one of the leaders of string theory.and people involved with this theory claim there are either 11 or 26 dimensions.How they came up with these equations I have no Idea,but the higher up you are the easier you can influence the lower dimensions.Just like we as 3 dimensional beings would be like gods to two dimensional beings.Not because of our power,but because of our superier perspective.Read a book called flat land if you don`t know what I mean,great book!

Originally posted by zom1967
Well I can tell you this,I read dummied down physics books.One is by Miccio Kaku he is one of the leaders of string theory.and people involved with this theory claim there are either 11 or 26 dimensions.How they came up with these equations I have no Idea,but the higher up you are the easier you can influence the lower dimensions.Just like we as 3 dimensional beings would be like gods to two dimensional beings.Not because of our power,but because of our superier perspective.Read a book called flat land if you don`t know what I mean,great book!

For example, DC has referd to 52nd Dimension. So DC is superior to Marvel because DC is at least 52nd Dimension, Marvel is only 16th Dimension Despite of that They have different cosmology and physics.
Do you agree with such a logic? At least I can't.
What do you think about it?

Originally posted by zom1967
i seem to recall a meeting between chaos and order,the Living Tribunal and Eternity happening in 16th dimensional super space!In an f.f annual involving the M.M.!

Super space? super? super space is beyond ordinary higher spatial dimensions, hyperspace is considered a super space...do you have that scan?

Originally posted by CatL18
In other forum, Some said that because of that feat, Marvel multiverse consists of only 16th Diension, and LT is inferior to other fictional character in higher Dimension like 18th,20th,22th so on.
What do you think?
For me, Every fiction has different physics and cosmology. So The statement that A is superior to B because A has higher dimension, is meaningless.

Are you talking about spacebattles? cause there was a similar thread on spacebattles regarding that whole discussion....because marvel hasnt specified its highest dimension past the 16th dimension, that fictional characters in higher dimensions are more powerful than all of marvel combined...........thats a complete and utter Bulls***, that thinking never lead anywhere.

Ben10 has a 26 dimensional character who possesses no special feats or power in comparison to other more frequent aliens. Also DC has immeasurable number of spatial dimensions, and mxy or any 5th dimensional being can destroy all numbered dimensions easily.

If you read Briane Greenes book on string theory, briane greene explains that the 3rd dimension>>>>>every other dimension, as they are too small to be on our dimensional scale. Briane Greene is one fo the best on the field as well.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Super space? super? super space is beyond ordinary higher spatial dimensions, hyperspace is considered a super space...do you have that scan?

Whole scan:
http://i.imgur.com/Ws6GAvN.jpg
-F4 Annual #27

I should have said ,some info I got from Marvel and some I got from actual physics books.The 16th dimensional super space where the cosmics met was from marvel.The 11 to 26 dimensions came from string theory.And more is not always better,a knot can only be tied in 3 dimensional space.Any more than that and there is to much room to ever tie a not.I said we could beat flat landers(2D people) because of our better perspective.If you go far up the dimensional chart this may become a weakness,so I can`t say a being from the 26th D could beat one from the 5th D,so myxy could well beat this being.I am not trying to say the higher the better,physical laws change with each spatial D.Just saying we do (us in the 3rd D)have clear advantage over 2 D beings like flat landers.

Originally posted by Galan007

Whole scan:
http://i.imgur.com/Ws6GAvN.jpg
-F4 Annual #27