Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its really not even a debate if they could, they used Ravens Mutant DNA to copy/counter other mutants they had been in touch with. Since he is not a mutant and not even human, they would not be able to.
^ this, Superman is an alien, not a mutation I highly doubt they'd be able to mimic his abilities
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its really not even a debate if they could, they used Ravens Mutant DNA to copy/counter other mutants they had been in touch with. Since he is not a mutant and not even human, they would not be able to.
Lmao exactly. The entire basis of the movie was the copying of the X gene which surely Superman will not have.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its really not even a debate if they could, they used Ravens Mutant DNA to copy/counter other mutants they had been in touch with. Since he is not a mutant and not even human, they would not be able to.
Um, he IS of the homo genus. The mutants aren't human either, in the first place.
Superman's powers stem from his biology, which allows his cells to absorb solar energy, giving him monstrously amped physics, as well as many other powers.
Given the nature of the Sentinels power stealing abilities, they should be capable of mimicking his cells.
However, as we've seen in DC before, it is nigh-impossible to imitate a Kryptonian's physiology, even if the person trying to is very skilled at doing so. Beastboy, who has much more versatile powers of shape-shifting than Mystique, was unable to do any better than a Super-dog, and that was only for a couple seconds. The amount of energy that a Kryptonian's cells drink in is simply too great.
Now, assuming that the sentinels lack the capacity to absorb as much energy as Superman, which is VERY likely, we still couldn't say that they couldn't mimic his powers at all. They would just likely be very nerfed, compared to Kal.
Well, actually, " to adapt" in this case can mean simply to change their physical makeup to be better suited in fighting Superman (like becoming denser, improving perception to calculate speeds, new tactics like spreading out and using range attacks exclusively, etc.). It does not mean that they succeed in being immune and it surely does not mean copying Superman. An example is when Darwin adapted in order to save his life against the swallowed Shaw-Havok bomb ball. He made his body better suited for it but he still failed to survive.
But do ppl really think MoS Superman can handle one hundred trillion Sentinels? He would literally be fighting for over a thousand years even assuming he destroys multiples per second. One would think fatigue and battle damage, even nicks and cuts would take its toll.
How about 10x that number? A thousand times that number? A million times?
I actually see a no-limits fallacy and its not really on the Sentinel side.
Why would the thread starter make a thread and not have them be able to adapt to his powers. If they can't adapt how is this even a fight? How are they even sentinels at that point? Clearly the thread starter wanted them to be able to analyze and adapt. That being the case, they crush him eventually.. but do lose a fair amount before that
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um, he IS of the homo genus. The mutants aren't human either, in the first place.Superman's powers stem from his biology, which allows his cells to absorb solar energy, giving him monstrously amped physics, as well as many other powers.
Given the nature of the Sentinels power stealing abilities, they should be capable of mimicking his cells.
However, as we've seen in DC before, it is nigh-impossible to imitate a Kryptonian's physiology, even if the person trying to is very skilled at doing so. Beastboy, who has much more versatile powers of shape-shifting than Mystique, was unable to do any better than a Super-dog, and that was only for a couple seconds. The amount of energy that a Kryptonian's cells drink in is simply too great.
Now, assuming that the sentinels lack the capacity to absorb as much energy as Superman, which is VERY likely, we still couldn't say that they couldn't mimic his powers at all. They would just likely be very nerfed, compared to Kal.
That wasn't how they were built of portrayed, he said having Raven's DNA would allow his program to adapt to any mutant DNA. I really don't feel like getting long winded with this because the facts are said in the movie. He never said "This DNA will allow my program to copy anything in the universe, he said 'Mutant DNA."
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, actually, " to adapt" in this case can mean simply to change their physical makeup to be better suited in fighting Superman (like becoming denser, improving perception to calculate speeds, new tactics like spreading out and using range attacks exclusively, etc.). It does not mean that they succeed in being immune and it surely does not mean copying Superman. An example is when Darwin adapted in order to save his life against the swallowed Shaw-Havok bomb ball. He made his body better suited for it but he still failed to survive.But do ppl really think MoS Superman can handle one hundred trillion Sentinels? He would literally be fighting for over a thousand years even assuming he destroys multiples per second. One would think fatigue and battle damage, even nicks and cuts would take its toll.
How about 10x that number? A thousand times that number? A million times?
I actually see a no-limits fallacy and its not really on the Sentinel side.
They never went up against anything as powerful as him. Yet he went up against many beings as strong or stronger then him.
As its shown in MoS, his sun amped biology is stronger then the strongest Kryptonian tech. Kryptonian tech is way above sentinel tech.
If he just started flying trashing them, how would they stop him. Or even pin him down, he be moving to fast and they would just be trash cans to his speed and power.
Is it fair to say he could take a trillion down? Prolly not, but is it fair to put him against a trillion?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
They never went up against anything as powerful as him. Yet he went up against many beings as strong or stronger then him.As its shown in MoS, his sun amped biology is stronger then the strongest Kryptonian tech. Kryptonian tech is way above sentinel tech.
If he just started flying trashing them, how would they stop him. Or even pin him down, he be moving to fast and they would just be trash cans to his speed and power.
Is it fair to say he could take a trillion down? Prolly not, but is it fair to put him against a trillion?
Well, thiis isn't about fair, just that what number would it take. As per OP, there is no limit placed to the number you can throw.
So yeah, if you think it would take a hundred trillion trillion, go on ahead and throw a number. 🙂
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um, he IS of the homo genus. The mutants aren't human either, in the first place.
Mutants are an offshoot of humanity, as mentioned in X1 or possibly X2 and X3. So yes, they're human, human mutants to be exact.
We have no idea if film Superman is connected to humanity somehow, so we can't just assume the Sentinels will be able to adapt to his alien physiology and powers simply because he looks like a human and has something like the X-gene.
eg If it was Sentinels Vs Gooku, we wouldn't just assume they'd adapt and absorb his powers simple because Gooku looks mostly human, more-so than some mutants do.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Point is in any situation, the notion that the Sentinels can adapt to Superman is a no limit fallacy abuse
Expand on this some. how is it a no limits fallacy. They were shown adapting to a great number of powers and pretty casually and quickly at that. The x gene argument doesn't really hold much water. IIRC the x-gene and them finding it.. was to determine WHO was a mutant and who wasn't. They still needed to feel or experience their powers in order to adapt to them. It doesn't matter that superman has no x gene.. they are already targeting him. Their adaptive ability means they will adapt to superman and quickly at that. They had no issue adapting to Colossus strength and LITERALLY tore him in half. So superman's strength would be useless and adapted to. The only thing we didn't see them adapt to was speed... however, I don't see why they couldn't, when they were shown adapting to everything else thrown their way. The fallacy is actually arguing they can't adapt to speed when they were shown adapting to every other thing with little to no problems. Absence of proof isn't proof