MoS Superman vs Sentinels (DoFP)

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
That's where you're wrong. 👆

Trask explained mutants as creatures of the homo genus, which evolved into a different species. Meaning that a "mutant" is anything other than a homo sapien, of the homo genus. WHICH SUPERMAN IS. 👆

See above 👆 Trask specifically also called humans the mutation of homo Neanderthal's. Again, a mutant, by the broad sense of the word you're considering, is anything in the homo genus, OTHER than a homo sapien.

The point is that the Sentinels can adapt to more than the mutant X gene. That's just what they use to track mutants.

I already HAVE. My proof is solely in the fact that the Sentinels can copy the abilities of ANY SPECIES IN THE HOMO GENUS, OTHER THAN HOMO SAPIENS. WHICH SUPERMAN IS. He's bred with Lois. He can have half human, half kryptonian children, proving that he's of the homo genus. Which means that it's VERY POSSIBLE that the Sentinels could mimic his powers. 👆

I already addressed those limits. They can't copy psychic powers, which is why they couldn't copy Magneto's powers, or Xaviers, or Kitty's. Portal creation falls under that category, given that Blink didn't just use some cellular energy to create portals, but her mental, meta-physical energy. 👆

Your opinion is not proof and adding thumbs up after every paragraph doesn't make it correct either. And again, what abilities Sentinels outside of DoFP or Clark outside of MoS display is completely irrelevant to this debate. Otherwise I could say Supes goes Silver Age OP levels and sneezes them all out of the solar system before they can even try to adapt.

They make a whole point about mutants possessing a gene they obtain via evolving, which sets them apart from homo sapiens and grants them abilities. They all still share a common genetic heritage. Your problem is you're using "mutant" as a blanket term when it is specifically used in reference to evolved humans from the X-verse.

Unless you can prove that MoS Kryptonian physiology is some evolution on regular human physiology, which occurred through mutation, all your claims about Clark remain utterly baseless, and I will continue to disregard them.

This match remains a stomp until someone can PROVE with FACTS that they could adapt and simulate his powers, instead of speculating on the term "mutant" and referencing comics.

Think about it logically, if Clark pitched up on the x-verse and told everyone he comes from Krypton, do you really think Trask would call him a human mutant or an alien lifeform?

As I pointed out on the last page, he is just trolling.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As I pointed out on the last page, he is just trolling.

When the king of trolling says this... the only appropriate saying is, pot meet kettle

But you didn't say it, I did.

Originally posted by Robtard
We do know with 100% certainty what they can (and thereby can't) adapt too, as Xavier clearly stated "could adapt to any mutant power".

Wolverine's healing = Mutant Power = Sentinel adapts

Iceman's ice blasting = Mutant Power = Sentinel adapts

Superman powers = Alien cells that act as solar batteries which produce an assortment of abilities = not a mutant power = Sentinel can't adapt

HP Wizards = Magic = not a mutant power = Sentinel can't adapt

I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

edit: To further cement that "mutant power" is key to them adapting, an exploding X-Jet destroyed them (ie they didn't adapt), while they easily shrugged off the mutant's attacks.

You're not understanding the basic premise here. Nobody is saying they can't adapt to mutants. Neither is anybody claiming that the mutant x gene is what causes mutation. The problem is, your statement doesn't exclude the possibility that they could adapt to other species. That is the point. Sure, is it possible they can only adapt to mutants? I'd say yes that is a distinct possibility. However, the language used doesn't support that they only could adapt to mutant. Xavier's monologue is only talking about mutants because that is who he's talking about. He didn't say, they can only adapt to mutants and no other species. He's talking about himself and his fellow brothers who are the ones under attack. That is exactly what one would say.

If I worked in retail, and said this inflation is really going to affect retail employees. Does that mean inflation won't impact other sectors of the economy? No. Xavier was talking about mutants because that is who was under attack and who the sentinels were programmed to destroy. As I stated, yes they very well might only be able to adapt to mutant powers, but that statement doesn't support that stance unequivocally.

Your post is a complete fallacy.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Your opinion is not proof and adding thumbs up after every paragraph doesn't make it correct either. And again, what abilities Sentinels outside of DoFP or Clark outside of MoS display is completely irrelevant to this debate. Otherwise I could say Supes goes Silver Age OP levels and sneezes them all out of the solar system before they can even try to adapt.

They make a whole point about mutants possessing a gene they obtain via evolving, which sets them apart from homo sapiens and grants them abilities. They all still share a common genetic heritage. Your problem is you're using "mutant" as a blanket term when it is specifically used in reference to evolved humans from the X-verse.

Unless you can prove that MoS Kryptonian physiology is some evolution on regular human physiology, which occurred through mutation, all your claims about Clark remain utterly baseless, and I will continue to disregard them.

This match remains a stomp until someone can PROVE with FACTS that they could adapt and simulate his powers, instead of speculating on the term "mutant" and referencing comics.

Think about it logically, if Clark pitched up on the x-verse and told everyone he comes from Krypton, do you really think Trask would call him a human mutant or an alien lifeform?

So assuming the OP wanted sentinels to adapt... how many would it take?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Your post is a complete fallacy.

Ok shoes, you have no clue what that word even means. Comical

Its your mistaken belief about this subject which makes your argument irrelevant.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Your opinion is not proof and adding thumbs up after every paragraph doesn't make it correct either. And again, what abilities Sentinels outside of DoFP or Clark outside of MoS display is completely irrelevant to this debate. Otherwise I could say Supes goes Silver Age OP levels and sneezes them all out of the solar system before they can even try to adapt.

They make a whole point about mutants possessing a gene they obtain via evolving, which sets them apart from homo sapiens and grants them abilities. They all still share a common genetic heritage. Your problem is you're using "mutant" as a blanket term when it is specifically used in reference to evolved humans from the X-verse.

Unless you can prove that MoS Kryptonian physiology is some evolution on regular human physiology, which occurred through mutation, all your claims about Clark remain utterly baseless, and I will continue to disregard them.

This match remains a stomp until someone can PROVE with FACTS that they could adapt and simulate his powers, instead of speculating on the term "mutant" and referencing comics.

Think about it logically, if Clark pitched up on the x-verse and told everyone he comes from Krypton, do you really think Trask would call him a human mutant or an alien lifeform?

The Sentinels haven't shown the ability to do so in DOFP, BUT THEY ALSO HAVEN'T SHOWN THE LACK OF ABILITY TO DO SO. I simply brought up the comics as a reference point, to show that other versions can. Whether they can or not in the movie is speculation, and my opinion is AS relevant as yours, EXCEPT I have other proof to support my opinion, whereas you do not. And btw, thumbs up DO make me automatically right. Or well, they emphasize that I'm winning. 👆 😉

Now YOU'RE using comic books, lol. The term "mutant" in the Xmen movies means the SAME THING IT DOES, in real life. Trask explained this, by comparing the mutants to humans, and humans to Neanderthals. 👆

I didn't say that, or even hint at that. My point is that he is DEFINITELY from the Homo genus, as he has mated with Lois in nearly EVERY storyline of the Superman franchise. What you're suggesting is akin to saying he might not even be Kryptonian, since he was never EXPLICITLY called one. It is part of cannon, that he IS a Kryptonian, and that he CAN mate with Lois, meaning he IS OF THE HOMO GENUS. Meaning he falls under the same umbrella that Mutants do. Even if his evolutionary path is different.

I think that Trask would be astonished at how human Superman looked. And even more astonished, after attaining his DNA, to find out that he IS of the homo genus, meaning his powers come from the SAME place that the mutant powers do. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The Sentinels haven't shown the ability to do so in DOFP, BUT THEY ALSO HAVEN'T SHOWN THE LACK OF ABILITY TO DO SO. I simply brought up the comics as a reference point, to show that other versions can. Whether they can or not in the movie is speculation, and my opinion is AS relevant as yours, EXCEPT I have other proof to support my opinion, whereas you do not. And btw, thumbs up DO make me automatically right. Or well, they emphasize that I'm winning. 👆 😉

Now YOU'RE using comic books, lol. The term "mutant" in the Xmen movies means the SAME THING IT DOES, in real life. Trask explained this, by comparing the mutants to humans, and humans to Neanderthals. 👆

I didn't say that, or even hint at that. My point is that he is DEFINITELY from the Homo genus, as he has mated with Lois in nearly EVERY storyline of the Superman franchise. What you're suggesting is akin to saying he might not even be Kryptonian, since he was never EXPLICITLY called one. It is part of cannon, that he IS a Kryptonian, and that he CAN mate with Lois, meaning he IS OF THE HOMO GENUS. Meaning he falls under the same umbrella that Mutants do. Even if his evolutionary path is different.

I think that Trask would be astonished at how human Superman looked. And even more astonished, after attaining his DNA, to find out that he IS of the homo genus, meaning his powers come from the SAME place that the mutant powers do. 👆

No, he's not homogenius, and no to the rest.

He's an alien from a different galaxy.

Last time I'm replying to you TI.

Stop acting like you even know what you're talking about. I never said anything about "homogenius" or whatever the hell you said.

Superman is of the homo GENUS. Meaning that he is of the same GENUS as humans. He bred with Lois. End of story. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The Sentinels haven't shown the ability to do so in DOFP, BUT THEY ALSO HAVEN'T SHOWN THE LACK OF ABILITY TO DO SO

That is the epitome of a no limits fallacy.

Originally posted by Lestov16
That is the epitome of a no limits fallacy.

He just making things up as he goes along.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He just making things up as he goes along.

After all the crap in his last post I now know he must be trolling.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As I pointed out on the last page, he is just trolling.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
When the king of trolling says this... the only appropriate saying is, pot meet kettle

Originally posted by Silent Master
But you didn't say it, I did.

Gold!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're not understanding the basic premise here.

Nobody is saying they can't adapt to mutants.

Neither is anybody claiming that the mutant x gene is what causes mutation.

The problem is, your statement doesn't exclude the possibility that they could adapt to other species.

That is the point. Sure, is it possible they can only adapt to mutants?

I'd say yes that is a distinct possibility.

However, the language used doesn't support that they only could adapt to mutant.

Xavier's monologue is only talking about mutants because that is who he's talking about. He didn't say, they can only adapt to mutants and no other species. He's talking about himself and his fellow brothers who are the ones under attack. That is exactly what one would say.

If I worked in retail, and said this inflation is really going to affect retail employees. Does that mean inflation won't impact other sectors of the economy? No. Xavier was talking about mutants because that is who was under attack and who the sentinels were programmed to destroy. As I stated, yes they very well might only be able to adapt to mutant powers, but that statement doesn't support that stance unequivocally.

Irony.

Why would anyone say that, went it's explicitly their power.

But people are claiming that, rightfully so, since it's true.

It does, because otherwise you're using a No Limit Fallacy as explained. ie "They can adapt to fictional mutant powers, so they can adapt to any fictional power"

That is the only possibility. Since that is the power explicitly shown and stated. If someone wants to add and expand the power-set, that person(s) would need to prove it. See: Burden of Proof.

Finally, you're starting to understand. Go with what is shown/stated and don't just add things without support 👆

Oh well, you were so close. See: Burden of Proof, if you wish to expand on the Sentinel's abilities. 👇

Incorrect actually, Xavier said "any mutant power", it was very precise. If you wish to expand that to "alien powers", "magic", "God power" etc. It needs to be supported first, not "it's true unless proven false. See: Burden of Proof.

False analogy. Economics is a known thing with set history/examples. Sentinel-mimicking-mutant-powers is fictional, so you stick with what the creators created and not your own interpretation unless you're able to provide proof that support your claims. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
He bred with Lois. End of story. 👆

What??

Dude, are you like, mentally all there? You do know we're specifically discussing the MOS version of Kal, not some kind of composite film version. It sorta says that in the title.

Originally posted by Lestov16
What??

Dude, are you like, mentally all there? You do know we're specifically discussing the MOS version of Kal, not some kind of composite film version. It sorta says that in the title.

He's trolling.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
That's where you're wrong. 👆

Trask explained mutants as creatures of the homo genus, which evolved into a different species. Meaning that a "mutant" is anything other than a homo sapien, of the homo genus. WHICH SUPERMAN IS. 👆

See above 👆 Trask specifically also called humans the mutation of homo Neanderthal's. Again, a mutant, by the broad sense of the word you're considering, is anything in the homo genus, OTHER than a homo sapien.

The point is that the Sentinels can adapt to more than the mutant X gene. That's just what they use to track mutants.

I already HAVE. My proof is solely in the fact that the Sentinels can copy the abilities of ANY SPECIES IN THE HOMO GENUS, OTHER THAN HOMO SAPIENS. WHICH SUPERMAN IS. He's bred with Lois. He can have half human, half kryptonian children, proving that he's of the homo genus. Which means that it's VERY POSSIBLE that the Sentinels could mimic his powers. 👆

I already addressed those limits. They can't copy psychic powers, which is why they couldn't copy Magneto's powers, or Xaviers, or Kitty's. Portal creation falls under that category, given that Blink didn't just use some cellular energy to create portals, but her mental, meta-physical energy. 👆

Kal-El is an extraterrestrial life form from 27 light years away. Just because he is humanoid that does not mean his genetic code is anywhere close to ours. You have zero proof that he is of the homo genus so calm down with all the thumbs ups.